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16 December 2011[edit]

  • Disciples Football – Deletion endorsed. There is advice from a number of editors below about creating a new and compliant article. That is, assuming that the subject of the article is notable. – Mkativerata (talk) 19:35, 24 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The following is an archived debate of the deletion review of the page above. Please do not modify it.
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On November 19th, the Disciples Football page was deleted under the grounds of being a G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement violator. This article cited its sources, utilized paraphrase, NOT direct quotation, and provided valuable information. If using other websites as sources and paraphrasing is a G12: Unambiguous copyright infringement violation, than nearly every page on Wikipedia should be deleted to conform to its policies. Although the Disciples page did at one point contain some copyright infringement content, this content was afterwards properly cited, paraphrased, or entirely removed. Yet the page was still deleted. Republic of Unclaimed Land (talk) 14:07, 16 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I contest any assertion that I performed a copyright violation of the material on that webpage. That page contains factual information that I paraphrased. Facts cannot be copyrighted. Honestly, I don't understand. The article WAS corrected to remove copyright violation. If you look at the text of the last version of the article, you will find that it DOES NOT plagiarize. Republic of Unclaimed Land (talk) 00:47, 17 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Republic of Unclaimed Land (talk • contribs) 00:45, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Endorse This is a tough one. It's pretty obvious that the first couple of paragraphs were directly copied from the website than padded out with a few words here and there. Even though it's not a carbon copy, it certainly couldn't be classed as original work and it's a poor attempt to circumvent Wikipedia's copyright policy. Having said that, the rest of the article is original work - however, this amounts to two paragraphs (one containing stats, the other a brief note about the current season), and WP:CSD#G12 includes the clause "where there is no non-infringing content on the page worth saving" so I think this criteria does apply here. Even if it wasn't, the article fails to assert the team's notablity and I can't see any way this article would survive an AfD discussion. Bottom line, it's either G12 or A7. ~~ Bettia ~~ talk 13:37, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Can I be provided with a copy of the article? I don't understand how someone can write a brief description drawing from a brief description as the source of facts, without the two paragraphs sounding similar. By ruling this copyright infringement, it means that the article is plagiarism merely because it states facts stated on another website. Everything but the actual statement of each fact was reworded. Nothing more could be done - which does not make the content unimportant or unworthy of an article.

The only way I can see to make the facts be presented in a more "original" manner would be to bury them in unnecessary fluff, or to place all of the information in quotes. And if such action in required, than have it performed instead of tossing the information aside entirely.

I think that this article should be reinstated, and then a new deletion discussion started to discuss whether the article is of sufficient importance. Republic of Unclaimed Land (talk) 21:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I would also like to state that If memory serves correctly, TWO websites were cited. The assertion that the page was simply a copy of the maxpreps page would then be false.

Also, the fact that the Disciples were the tenth ranked homeschool team in the nation makes them notable, as does the fact that there quarterback finished the season first in the nation for total yardage for homeschool teams, a fact which was never put in the article because the page was deleted too soon.Republic of Unclaimed Land (talk) 22:17, 17 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Endorse. Nothing except their own stubbornness is preventing the nominator here from creating an article without copyright issues. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 17:05, 18 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Endorse There should be no difficulty in start a non-paraphrased article. Paraphrase consists of using either the words, the sentence structure, and (to a more limited extent) the sequence of ideas. You can, however, use the same ideas. The first step is to use a different sequence of ideas: The article & web p. talk first about how the team was founded (in a way that I consider characteristically non-encyclopedic: In year, so-and-so had the idea of founding...) This style is too personal. . The more encyclopedic way is to say: X is a team .... It was started in year by so and so at place whatever. that's very dull writing to be sure, but such is characteristic of any encyclopedia. You can then go on to describe the purpose and the history, There's some missing information that should be added: where are the students from--how wide is the geographic area they draw from? what ages are they? What teams does it play against?--other homeschoolers, or private schools, or ? The ranking needs a source. The only part that is almost impossible to paraphrase is the statistics, and that's true for all articles, but they can still be presented in a different order.
Myself, I do not think there is a sharp distinction between close paraphrase and acceptable paraphrase -- the practical way when something is complained of as too close, is to rewrite it to a greater extent. We therefore should not speedy delete such articles, because the contributor needs and deserves a chance to rewrite them. But since this has been deleted, just do it over. DGG ( talk ) 04:04, 21 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The above is an archive of the deletion review of the page listed in the heading. Please do not modify it.
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