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Category:Department stores of Bangkok[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge/delete (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:42, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Not part of any larger categorisation scheme. Paul_012 (talk) 20:47, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Sportspeople[edit]

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: procedural close. The nom withdrew the original proposal, at which point this discussion should have been closed. Trying to use this discussion as the place for a different proposal involving different categories just makes a confused discussion. Feel free to open a new discussion about the new proposal. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 11:44, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Or alternatively:
Nominator's rationale: The current category name is confusing. The category's scope, "people involved in sports in some way", does not match the dictionary definition of sportsperson, which is "someone who plays sport", i.e. Category:Sports competitors. I would appreciate if someone could help tag the subcats. Otherwise, I'll get to it in a few days. Paul_012 (talk) 19:18, 17 March 2018 (UTC) Paul_012 (talk) 21:13, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:African-American biographical dramas[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: keep. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 21:41, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This was rejected at CSD, which is fine, but my argument remains the same: we do not categorize by race. How can this category be defined except as films about African-Americans, and how is that anything other than categorization by race? The Old JacobiteThe '45 17:35, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
African-American is not an ethnic group. Ethiopian-American, Kenyan-American, or Tanzanian-American would all be ethnic groups, but African-American is a racial group and forbidden by our own policies. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 01:02, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
More info about African Americans as an ethnic group, see African Americans. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:49, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, African-American is an ethnic group, not a race. Black is a race. Ethnicity is cultural and race is genetic. African-American's are people brought over from the slave trade and whose culture is distinctly, American. Ethiopian-American, Kenyan-American, etc are immigrants or first, second generation Americans who's roots can be traced back to their parents or grandparents country of origin. African-Americans have no such distinction. There are a myriad of pre-existing pages films, directors, etc. And there is nothing wrong with that. This page should stand like the others. saviaj (talk) 23:40, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
With all due respect, that response made no sense. "Black" is not a race, and the claim that it is is simply ridiculous. Your misunderstanding of these issues is evident in your misuse of these categories. But, you are correct in your statement that ethnicity is about culture, not race, which is why we should be specific. African-American is not an ethnic group; it is a catch-all phrase that obscures more than it illuminates. Likewise, European-American would not be a useful phrase, because it is not specific enough to be useful. I understand that we are on tender ground here and should proceed carefully, but this is an encyclopedia we are building and we need to be specific in our categorizations and our use of language. ---The Old JacobiteThe '45 14:05, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I agree with saviaj. We define African Americans as an ethnic group of Americans, and cover their history, demographics, religion, business, language, genetics, traditional names, politics and social issues, culture, music, and literature. We have the article "Black people" for the racial classification scheme, along with explanations of why there is no universally accepted definition of a black person. TheOldJacobite seems to have no familiarity with our articles on ethnic groups or the sources used for them. Dimadick (talk) 10:10, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose I can't add anything to what others have said. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 04:46, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Gender pay gap by country[edit]

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The result of the discussion was:  Relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 17#Category:Gender pay gap by country. ℯxplicit 05:30, 17 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: upmerge per WP:SMALLCAT, this category and its parent category together contain six articles only. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Actually I don't think WP:SMALLCAT directly applies, since more articles could be created, but at the moment I don't see why a merge wouldn't be appropriate. --Paul_012 (talk) 21:29, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge, with no prejudice against re-creation if and when there are more articles. Grutness...wha? 00:42, 19 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per WP:SMALLCAT, because a) 5 articles is usually accepted as enough to make a viable category; b) it has plenty of scope for expansion; c) it also allows the by-country pages to be directly grouped under Category:Gender equality by country. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:06, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Modern Turkic states[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: relisted at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2018 April 10#Category:Modern_Turkic_states. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 22:18, 10 April 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: delete as non-defining and too subjective (how much % of the population needs to be of Turkic ethnicity in order to characterize a state as Turkic?). Marcocapelle (talk) 10:34, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Tomb Raider series[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: relisted, see here. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:51, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: More accurate description of what is in the category. Was moved here by accident a while back, then reverted, but I think "games" is more WP:CONSISTENT. ZXCVBNM (TALK) 08:56, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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Category:Fictional rogue planets[edit]

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The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). Marcocapelle (talk) 07:47, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Procedurally sending, per Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2018_January_30#Category:Fictional_rogue_planets. Restored from redirect and proposing merger, and pinging everyone involved - @Usernamekiran, Tavix, LaundryPizza03, NYKevin, and Amory: Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:18, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

fix ping @Amorymeltzer: Galobtter (pingó mió) 07:19, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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