Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zheng Zhong

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The result was speedy keep‎. Nomination and single deletion !vote withdrawn, speedy keep per SK1. (non-admin closure) ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:25, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Zheng Zhong[edit]

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Unsourced biography since its creation in 2005. Unclear notability as a Han dynasty eunuch. Natg 19 (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Politicians, and China. Natg 19 (talk) 01:08, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. See Rafe de Crespigny, Fire over Luoyang: A History of the Later Han Dynasty 23-220 AD (2016); and Ulrich Theobald, http://www.chinaknowledge.de/History/Han/personszhengzhong1.html, in turn citing three secondary or tertiary sources in Chinese. (The last three I have not been personally able to access.) Overall the preponderance of evidence suggests this is notable. Adumbrativus (talk) 09:26, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Strong Keep Subject has had an illustrious career as senior eunuch, holding sway over the young Emperor He of Han as a power broker in the eunuch faction against the consort kin faction (a familiar theme in Han dynasty politics). He is given a biography in the Book of Later Han, but more relevant to Wikipedia policies, his life is detailed in Rafe de Crespigny's A Biographical Dictionary of Later Han to the Three Kingdoms (23-220 AD) (p. 1130). In de Crespigny's other work Fire Over Luoyang, Zheng Zhong is mentioned no less than 28 times, and is described as having played "a critical role" in the coup against the consort kin Dou clan of Dou Xian, and his involvement sets a precedent as "the first time members of the inner court had been so actively involved in politics," and that "Zheng Zhong and his associates were models for the for the future, [where] palace eunuchs would become major players in the politics of the dynasty." (p. 132). Key political figure of lasting influence with unarguable notability. _dk (talk) 09:51, 10 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Notable historical figure. Retinalsummer (talk) 19:41, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep More notable than many others with biographies and Wikipedia articles in Book of the Later Han and with citations from Rafe de Crespigny, arguably the most reputable English-language source on the era. In-line citations from Book of the Later Han vol. 78 should be added by someone familiar enough with the Classical Chinese, and as I have access to de Crespigny's Biographical Dictionary... I will add citations from that when I can, but the topic is still notable even if sources are identified but not yet included in the article. Benjitheijneb (talk) 19:34, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Addendum: having now added inline citations, specific criteria for notability according to de Crespigny explicitly include: significant involvement in a palace coup; being granted a marquisate as a reward (de Crespigny does not specify him as the first eunuch of Later Han to be granted one however); being the first Later Han eunuch to be significantly involved in governance; and being the first Later Han eunuch to pass on a fief to an adopted son. These are in line with WP:ANYBIO and WP:NPOL. Benjitheijneb (talk) 20:12, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep a power behind throne and historical figure. Extra passes WP:NPOL as senior court official. What a nonsense AfD. Shame! 1.46.88.188 (talk) 19:54, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I am willing to withdraw, but I believe it is not allowed with the Delete !vote by User:I2n2z. Natg 19 (talk) 21:09, 15 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Reading through the discussion, I'm willing to withdraw my delete vote. i2n 2z 03:14, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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