Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/You Alone Exist

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Seraphimblade ^{Talk to me} 07:04, 19 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

You Alone Exist[edit]

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Fails WP:NFILM. In a WP:BEFORE search I couldn't find independent, secondary coverage in WP:RS, just some passing mentions of it in various Meher Baba organization's websites, that "Culture Unplugged" post of the film by its director (with a link for funding), and social media. Wikishovel (talk) 06:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Film and Religion. Wikishovel (talk) 06:37, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 06:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Keep :But established notability as per discussion with the nominator, see my talk page reply to the nominator talk to me. There is only one meher baba organization that is AMBPPCT, all other centers are independent of AMBPPCT they are not a single entity, How can you not consider it along with few google books, JSTOR citations as independent secondary sources? what is the evidence you have ? that this film doesnt exist ? the film is actually a musical poem which is cited in all articles listed by me. Fostera12 (talk) 06:40, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The film certainly exists: the question is whether it's notable enough for a separate article. The Google Books and JSTOR references you mention all talk about the original poem, but don't mention the film. Wikishovel (talk) 06:51, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Since it is a film that is on sale through DVD / and extensively watched on youtube and across the countries. If it is just a poem then it doesnt require seperate article. As the article matures new sources will be added such as imdb and newspapers. The thing is it needs some time to buy in. For example, The LA times article published during 80's and 90's and Meher Mount articles talks about all meher baba footage films and use of slow motion, which you have deleted citing mentioning of the name. These are the same footages compiled in You Alone Exist. The footages of meher baba are all extensively notable enough and in addition, if compiled as a seperate collage film with a unique purpose of publishing meher baba's poem with interwoven music, then it doesnt hurt to have an independent article. And moreover mehermount, mehercenter, ambppct, sufism reoriented, meher film works, divine sport productions, meher baba travels are all independent organizations with set policies. They are not linked to each other in any way. It is a misconception that these are connected, just because they talk and publish about meher baba. Take the example of country India article, all major crux of sources come from India not united states right. This is subjective. And interestingly even you have not nominated the article for deletion initailly. And the editor who nominated this article for deletion has done it on assume good faith, and left the decision to other editors that the tag could be removed as this is highly subjective in the case of this short film article.Fostera12 (talk) 07:29, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, fails WP:NFILM. All sources are either primary or passing mentions. No in depth coverage found. DonaldD23 talk to me 14:44, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Sources are mostly either primary sources or discussions of the poem and not the film. hinnk (talk) 20:41, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
As a note to whoever closes this discussion, the article was moved and rewritten after my comment, such that most of it is now the complete text of the original poem. If there isn't consensus to delete the article, a WP:REVDEL will probably still be needed to address that. hinnk (talk) 03:36, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I've reverted both the page move and the article rewrite. Wikishovel (talk) 07:34, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~ Moved Article to You Alone Exist (Poem) for establishing notability.Fostera12 (talk) 02:16, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Struck second "keep": we all get to post our recommendation just once, and then comment on our and other editors' recommendations.

Also, you're welcome to create a new, separate article about the poem on which the film is based, but please don't move the film article You Alone Exist in the middle of an WP:AFD discussion about the film, and please don't try to rewrite this article to one about the poem. We have to let the discussion about the film take its course until it's closed. Thanks, Wikishovel (talk) 07:33, 13 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Please close the discussion soon

Fostera12 (talk) 03:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Merge a properly sourced summary of both You Alone Exist (poem) and You Alone Exist to Meher Baba#Selected works and Meher Baba#In popular culture respectively. I wanted to vote Keep, but I cannot find SIRS for the subjects. I think the material will fit here and if sources develop showing it needs a stand alone article, the history will be preserved. If someone finds THREE, ping me. // Timothy :: talk 22:13, 18 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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