Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Yūko Itō

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Meets basic notability requirements; notable in films documented at IMDB, even if they are not in English seicer | talk | contribs 02:25, 14 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yūko Itō[edit]

I think this person is some kind of actress; the page resembles a long line of credits in bulleted form, but the whole thing is a horrible mess, really quite spectacular. The whole "article" was added in a single edit back in July and has gone virtually without improvement since then despite desperately needing it. In my view, it's gibberish without a hint of context (and of COURSE there are no references) and I can't see how there's any value to keeping it around with the expectation that maybe, someday, someone might want to spend several hours or days cleaning this thing up into something usable. But the user who removed my speedy thinks it's fine as it is, so here we are. Propaniac (talk) 13:50, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - of course, I never said it was fine as is. I rejected a "gibberish" tag because it's nothing of the sort. It's perfectly obvious that it's a biography of an actress listing her work written by someone with moderate English or low wiki-markup skills. Declining a flatly inappropriate speedy deletion request and saying something is "fine as is" are different. WilyD 14:42, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- I assumed you would have added some sort of cleanup tag if you thought it should be kept but was in need of improvement. Propaniac (talk) 15:51, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  - That is a strange assumption. In any event, speedy deletion is really only for cases where ~100% of commenters at AFD would say "delete", with the first three all "keep", it seems pretty clear declining the request for speedy deletion was the correct choice. WilyD 16:20, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
    - I know not everyone shares my view that worthless articles should be deleted (and nobody below seems to think the existing article isn't worthless), but it seems bizarre to "save" an inadequate article without making the slightest motion towards or endorsement of future improvement, if you agree that it's inadequate. But clearly our perspectives will not be resolved and I apologize for my misunderstanding of your edit summary. Propaniac (talk) 18:52, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      - This isn't about whether the article should be deleted or not, it is about whether an article should be speedily deleted or not. I've not advocated either way here on the former, only the latter. If you hadn't slagged me in your nomination here, I probably would've said nothing - certainly there's nothing wrong with taking a lousy article to AfD, whether it's kept (as it seems this will be) or deleted. Speedy deletion is only supposed to be used when an article has no chance of survival. You might consider {{prod}} for articles that you think ought to be deleted but which don't meet any speedy deletion criterion. It's not about an inclusionist or deletionist bend at all (as a matter of course, I do PROD articles with invalid speedy tags when I decline speedies from time to time). Wily D 19:04, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, weakly. Has an IMDB entry that lists her as an actor in a fair number of mainstream productions, including some that even I've heard of, like Eko Eko Azarak. Probably most of the sources will be in Japanese, but it seems likely that her career can be adequately documented. Move to Yuko Ito if kept; we don't need untypeable diacriticals in the English Wikipedia. - Smerdis of Tlön (talk) 15:08, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, I think Yuko Ito should be made into a redirect to this page. Diacritics(sp?) have become common in foreign titles and a redirect can point anyone who can't type them to the proper article. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:52, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep - per IMDB link and apparently has been in a notable film, Cherry Girl. Massive cleanup needed. Perhaps remove list and just change into a simple stub "Yuko Ito is a Japanese actress." Then list filmography based on IMDB. Good candidate for expert and/or expand tag. --Omarcheeseboro (talk) 15:18, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Notable, if even if mostly foreign. Chrislk02 ^{Chris Kreider} 15:56, 8 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
- Eh? She's not foreign; she's in the country where I happen to find myself. But even if she were in some exotic, far-away country (such as the Youess) I wouldn't hold that against her. (But I suspect a well-intentioned and sensible keep vote marred by typo.) -- Hoary (talk) 03:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral: 1) The credits don't give any indication of the importance of the role she had in said productions. 2) Infobox contains trivial details that are prone to change. - Mgm|^(talk) 08:57, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Japan-related deletion discussions. —Fg2 (talk) 10:13, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Needs massive cleanup, natch, and while many of her credits are clearly minor some can be seen (by clicking through to articles) to be important, thus making her pass WP:ENTERTAINER. Keep for cleanup, including translation into standard English. No comment on the page name, as the consensus about macrons in romanji article names seems to be in flux. —Quasirandom (talk) 15:16, 9 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as an egregious waste of time without prejudicing the fate of a future article. She's a tarento who's happened to have had her Japanese-language WP article (or similar) put through poor machine translation. This might have been well intended by the Babelfish (?)-submitter but in effect it's mighty arrogant: "I put mere seconds into this so that others will have to spend hugely more of their time on it merely in order to make it acceptable (let alone good)". I have no interest in and virtually no knowledge of tarento and so can't estimate how notable Itō is among the millions of these (to me) interchangable people who fill space in (to me) interchangable magazines, (to me) interchangable dorama, etc; she's still being marketed in her mid-thirties, which puts her in the minority, but th' missus hasn't heard of her, so she's not stunningly memorable/notable. I'm a strong believer in the notion that anybody who puts up an article in en:WP has the responsibility to ensure that it's at least a decent (if perfunctory) start; this isn't, so unless somebody cares to do a lot to fix it while this AfD is still running, it should go. It should not be salted and a later replacement article should be judged on its merits, probably permitted (without the bother of a second AfD), and even welcomed. If this mess is fixed while this AfD is running, fine: this AfD is on my watchlist and I'm fully prepared to change my vote. -- Hoary (talk) 03:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.