Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Woking F.C. season 2007-08

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus, both people wishing to delete, and to keep make good arguments and discussion should probably continue on the article talk page. Ryan Postlethwaite 16:27, 19 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Woking F.C. season 2007-08[edit]

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of information. The place for this level of detail is the club's own web-site, which the Woking F.C. article points to. JohnCD (talk) 16:18, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. ChrisTheDude (talk) 16:20, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Nothing on WP:NOT#INFO forbids this article's existence. I presume you're pointing to WP:NOT#STATS; this article is not a mere collection of statistics. It certainly has the potential to improve. This team gets substantial coverage from independent secondary sources to meet WP:N. Also, they are a professional team that has been playing since 1889. Besides, one of the F.C. season articles is currently a good article, and there are plenty of other F.C. season articles. I suggest adding an {{expand}} tag instead of deleting the article. BlueAg09 (Talk) 18:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete for similar reasons to those raised in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tamworth F.C. season 2007-08. The difference between this and Bristol Rovers (aside from this article being purely a list of results with no context) is that Bristol Rovers are a League team and Woking are not. I think the bar for notability for season articles is similar to that for players - articles for players at non-league level are routinely deleted, and I do not think season articles should exist for non-league teams either. Oldelpaso (talk) 21:22, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Woking are not at a level of play (i.e. the Football League) which warrants this level of detail about this season. Qwghlm (talk) 00:28, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Neutral There's no guidelines to say which clubs are notable enough for such entries. And no guidelines to really say delete. Peanut4 (talk) 00:30, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Just because there are no guidelines does not mean we cannot make a decision here. Besides, a precedent has been set, as outlined by Oldelpaso, and the reasons for that page's deletion apply here as well. Qwghlm (talk) 00:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Please explain why non-league teams' season articles do not warrant inclusion. There has been no explanation as to WHY they are non-notable. Don't mean to cause trouble here, but I don't follow sports outside the U.S. much. BlueAg09 (Talk) 07:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete this and all other individual season articles across all sports. Far too much detail for a general encyclopaedia. - fchd (talk) 06:40, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- Deleting all season team articles? A little extreme, don't you think? Teams that have gained notable recognition in a season should at least have an article. And since when did Wikipedia start being a "general" encyclopedia? Nothing in WP:NOT implies that. BlueAg09 (Talk) 07:49, 12 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Team is notable enough to deserve own season article Me677 (talk) 02:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- It would be helpful if you explained WHY the team is notable; otherwise, it would be tough to determine whether the article should be kept or deleted. BlueAg09 (Talk) 02:57, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - Because if a team is considered notable and every player in that team is considered notable then it seems difficult to justify deleted the one thing that unifies them. Me677 (talk) 01:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - Note: Although the players may all be notable or not - no squad details in the article itself - according to WP:BIO and WP:FOOTY criteria, they cannot be notable for playing for Woking in the 2007-08 season in the Conference. Peanut4 (talk) 01:46, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Keep. Precedent seems indeterminate (see Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Manchester_United_F.C._season_2006-07 which included many of these articles). There doesn't seem to be any clear line of when this a club isn't notable enough - plenty of them at Category:Football clubs 2007-08 season. As BlueAg09 says, Bristol Rovers F.C. season_2006-07 manages to be a Good Article, and is only one division above Woking. If in doubt, don't delete. Paulbrock (talk) 18:02, 13 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Let's assert some ground rules. Ignoring all other seasons, Woking would be notable in the Conference, but their individual players would not for the 2007-08 season alone, per existing criteria (WP:BIO and WP:FOOTY). But there's nothing to suggest why an individual entry would or would not. However the exisiting criteria does not tie them all together to be mutually notable. I'm still sitting on the fence until someone can argue with / against me on this, or expand on my points. Peanut4 (talk) 01:49, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I agree that club notability > season notability, but not sure there's any reason why all players would have to have their own article/demonstrate notability before the corresponding season does. (Or indeed that having notable players means the season is automatically notable) Paulbrock (talk) 10:39, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.