Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Waltham Aircraft Clock Corporation

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Userfy. I will move this article into the userspace of CNMall41, where they can work on it. There is not clear consensus that it meets NCORP, but there is support to allow this to develop further. In the meantime, I will create a redirect to WWC. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 12:58, 3 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Waltham Aircraft Clock Corporation[edit]

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Non notable company. WP:BEFORE shows no evidence of reliable, independent, substantial sourcing Cardiffbear88 (talk) 06:26, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment - Very strange article. Based on what is written, it does not appear notable. However, according to this reference, the Wikipedia page is incorrect. This reference is from 1914 yet the Wikipedia page says it didn't come into existence under that name until 1957. I will do some additional digging tomorrow. If it is/was part of the Waltham Watch Company it could possibly be included there with a redirect. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:51, 13 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

CNMall41, did you do any additional digging? Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eddie891, well, I can tell you its a mess. I just tagged WWC as needing more references as it is hard to verify some of the information and other information conflicts with the sources. The WWC page would need a complete rewrite and a lot of research before knowing for sure 100%. I can say that based on the research I have done, WACC was at one point part of WWC. I would say merge the title to WWC for now and after some cleanup on that page we can determine if WACC qualifies as a standalone. --CNMall41 (talk) 05:07, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

After looking further, it is an independent company that was spun off of WWC after it went out of business in the 1950s. For the moment, I would still say merge and we can always start a page later if its found to be notable. Or, I can simply add it to the WWC draft that I am working on here (feel free to contribute to the draft if you like). --CNMall41 (talk) 06:24, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Did you see the book I added over at WWC? It's a whole book dedicated to WWC. Graywalls (talk) 06:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I did but it is paywalled so I am trying to put together what I find through Newspapers.com at the moment. Feel free to add to the draft if you like (assuming you have access to JSTOR). --CNMall41 (talk) 17:34, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

comment I think this is sufficient proof that these aren't just similarly named companies.

Graywalls (talk) 03:38, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@CNMall41:, it is not paywalled. 1905 book, public domain. You can even download it. https://www.google.com/books/edition/History_of_the_American_Waltham_Watch_Co/7kM2AQAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=0 Graywalls (talk) 19:07, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 02:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to Waltham Watch Company. The target is definitely notable. A book dedicated to the history this company has been written about it.Graywalls (talk) 03:30, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Cardiffbear88: - Actually, would you be inclined to have this moved to draftspace? I think it has enough sources to meet WP:NCORP but they are mixed in with quite a few others about the Waltham Watch Company. I can ping you when I get it updated but working on the main WCC page at the moment. That way you can review it prior to going to mainspace.--CNMall41 (talk) 17:49, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @CNMall41: absolutely - very happy to support moving to draftspace, especially as you’ve located potential sources that could help to improve the article. Thanks for your work on this article. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 20:52, 26 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - Thanks, Cardiffbear88. You can see my sandbox where I have done a substantial cleanup of WWC. Will get to working on this one as soon as the other is finished. If notable, we can move it back to mainspace. If I cannot find enough to satisfy WP:ORGCRIT, I can simply request it be deleted from my userspace. Thanks again. --CNMall41 (talk) 07:07, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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