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The result was delete‎. BusterD (talk) 03:23, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Verbal ASE[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG and WP:NBIO. Most of the articles sources are not reliable (see Genius and Sportskeeda) and/or closely connected to the subject. Also seems to fall under WP:BLP1E, with the sole event potentially violating the WP:BLP guidelines. Jurta talk/he/they 14:02, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Week keep, also the Verbal ASE#controversy section needs some cleanup. Jothefiredragon (talk) 06:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC) Redirect to Hazbin_Hotel#Fandom, as it's more concise.Jo the fire dragon 🐉「talk」 04:05, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Star Mississippi 02:27, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Redirect to Hazbin Hotel#Fandom or Synapson, per Jo the fire dragon. It's worth mentioning that one of the sources cited at Hazbin Hotel mentions that the link between the subject of the article & the controversy are tentative, and then reports the source as "per KnowYourMeme" (see WP:KYM). Most sources on the article appear to be from 2015 to 2018, and a more recent source from 2022 mentions him in passing. Schrödinger's jellyfish ✉ 04:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    I am on my phone and unable to edit as needed - please take this as a delete rather than a redirect. No significant coverage or notability outside of the meme (which, according to the more reliable sources such as the Mary Sue) are still alleged. Phönedinger's jellyfish II (talk) 19:32, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. I agree. It fails notability, and the only reason it's here is becouse of the recent meme/controversy. Also, I disagree with the notion too redirect him to Hazbin Hotel. He isn't officially associated with the show, and he made videos of dozens of cartoons, so why should he be linked to this specific cartoon. And yeah, yeah, meme, 50k on video, bad taste, and so on. Nobody will remember that in a month. I don't think redirect is needed.Artemis Andromeda (talk) 13:56, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Jo the fire dragon 🐉「talk」 14:09, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Not everything needs a redirect to everything. If his article gets deleted, I don't see why we need to keep redirect becouse of a meme that's definitely not notable at all. Also, there's a difference between a "forgotten" celebrity, and a meme stoping being revelant after a week. And in this case I'm referring to the fact the meme won't be remembered, not the artist. Artemis Andromeda (talk) 17:47, 2 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep it as draft. Although it may have violated WP:BLP and WP:Notability (people), we could turn it into a draft article, then, the Peer review may conclude whether the article should be an article or failed at the first place in the draft process. Qadri223 Talk to me like a true conservative my contributions to the Wikipedia 04:57, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: BLP, Fails GNG and NBIO. Sources in article are promo, interviews, name metions, and BEFORE found nothing with WP:SIGCOV from WP:IS WP:RS addressing the subject directly and indepth. BLPs require strong sourcing. I don't think there is a good redirect target, but no strong objection if a consensus emerges for a target.  // Timothy :: talk  14:16, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    TimothyBlue, please see the first comment for "in depth" coverage. dxneo (talk) 18:43, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply: [1] very interesting, but it is a video monologue from the subject. Fails WP:IS. I would like to keep this article, but I can't find sources and can't just vote keep because ILIKEIT.
[2] is very promotional for Hazbin Hotel.  // Timothy :: talk  19:13, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris talk! 08:50, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete: According to the article, Verbal ASE has held jobs, performed publicly, collaborated with other artists, been contracted for gigs, and runs a mid-tier YouTube channel. Your average successful artist, in other words. While making it in the art world is admirable, it is not notable. Verbal ASE deserves no article. Dieknon (talk) 01:01, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Final relist.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, The Herald (Benison) (talk) 05:23, 14 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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