Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Varsity Trip (2nd nomination)

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The result was no consensus. King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 05:49, 10 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Varsity Trip[edit]

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Nothing to indicate general notability outside Oxford/Cambridge universities; it's ostensibly a non-notable event, as written, and previous noms haven't addressed this. Rodhull andemu 01:54, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Schools-related deletion discussions. —• Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 03:16, 20 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment. There was an even earlier discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Varsity trip, which was closed as keep. --Bduke (Discussion) 01:42, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The article contains "The Blues race bears the distinction of being the world's oldest team ski event with a tradition which dates back to 1896". I am surprised that this is not sourced as it is almost certainly both true and notable. It is the Blues Race that is notable, not this trip. Pretty well all the Blues events are notable because they attract a lot of attention. I suggest that this article be moved to Oxford and Cambridge Universities Ski Race and a small part of the article on the trip retained, with expansion of material about the race. However, it needs someone with more knowledge of the sport than I have (zero). --Bduke (Discussion) 01:59, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Comment The debate here was very finely balanced, and defaulted to "Keep". The second discussion here also defaulted to "Keep" on the basis of on additional and weak, source. However, the article remains as a prime example of local interest because its general notability has not been demonstrated such as to warrant its inclusion in an encyclopedia of general interest. In short, this article started off being poor as regards notability and hasn't advanced beyond that point; I'll just say that if this event possessed general notability, it should have surfaced in the last five years, but it just hasn't. Rodhull andemu 02:05, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It seems more likely that the race started in 1922. There is a book reference, to which I have no access, to this date on the Wengen article and the Cambridge Club's account of the 2009 race describes it as the 87th year of racing. However the latter reference here is not independent. The recent 2011 trip appears to have got masses of (bad) publicity. I think this should be a keep to allow time to take up my suggestion above of renaming and moving the emphasis to the race. --Bduke (Discussion) 02:12, 27 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. I'm not sure about the "masses" of publicity that this year's trip got. There was a "Shock! Horror! Students get drunk and take their clothes off!" piece from the only newspaper that would consider such an everyday incident worth reporting, but I can't find anything else half-way reliable. Phil Bridger (talk) 00:49, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Huffington Post 1, Huffington Post 2, Weekly World News, Breaking News, Oxford Mail, This Oxfordshire, Metro and the Telegraph link from the first two Google pages searching on "oxford and cambridge ski trip". They may not all be independent, but it seems like a lot of notice. I agree that this event is not that significant, but articles have been deemed notable on less. I still support moving this to Oxford and Cambridge Universities Ski Race and concentrating on the race rather than the trip. --Bduke (Discussion) 02:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
- Reply: It has to be said that these sources cannot be said to be orthogonal so as to impute notability, since they all seem to describe the same event/controversy, and to be honest "students in nude prank" isn't that notable, per User:Phil Bridger above. However, I've yet to see that the race in itself has achieved any notability, which is the whole point of this nomination. Let's be clear here, it has a way to go to be anywhere near the notability of the Oxford and Cambridge boat race. Rodhullandemu 02:47, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  - It certainly is no way near to the Boat race, but it may be comparable to the Ice Hockey Varsity Match or the University Golf Match if more sources could be found by someone who knows where to look.--Bduke (Discussion) 11:18, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, King of ♥ ♦ ♣ ♠ 09:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.