Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Trap (carriage)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 07:25, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Trap (carriage)[edit]

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Per WP:NOTDICT. This page only defines the term Trap (as a carriage). The only reference is to a phrase finder. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and Horse racing. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 07:45, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Blatant WP:NOTDICT violation. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 08:13, 20 June 2023 (UTC) Keep I think there may be the content and sourcing available to expand the article to more than just a dictionary definition. JML1148 ^{(talk | contribs)} 23:50, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. I added some references that are way more than a dictionary definition. They cover a range of designs for traps. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 15:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

So you added six sources to verify the dictionary definition in the article, but the deletion proposal is not based on any doubt that a pony-trap is a type of carriage. The problem with this article is it is very clearly just a dictionary definition, and Wikipedia is the wrong wikiproject for that. I also note that your sources include two glossaries of terms (just reinforcing WP:NOTDICT arguments), a for-sale listing of a trap, and a stock photo of a trap. I suppose these were all added to reinforce the fact that such carriages are called traps, but they are not WP:RS (clearly) and they are reinforcing something over which there is no doubt. The article still fails per WP:NOTDICT. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No. It is more than just a dictionary definition. Consider Coupe or Pickup truck. Both are types of motor vehicle, but there are many variations of both. The same is true of Trap (carriage). Eastmain (talk • contribs) 05:18, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This seems to be a nomination based purely on a current thin state of a stub article and that is not the point of DICDEF. The word is widely used, at least in "pony and trap" as both vehicle and propulsion. Yet what is a "trap"? Does it have 2 wheels or 4? How does it differ from other types of cart? What was it used for? We may not be there as yet, but there is certainly scope here for an encyclopedic article more than a DICDEF, just as we've done for other cart and carriage types. Andy Dingley (talk) 11:23, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, per WP:HEY. The article now passes WP:GNG per the included sources. There is probably scope for a general reorganisation of all of the articles on similar types of carriages, but there is no particular reason to delete this page. SailingInABathTub ~~🛁~~ 22:07, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.