Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Amazing Race Philippines

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The result was Reverse merge, from The Amazing Race Philippines 1 to The Amazing Race Philippines . — Crisco 1492 (talk) 07:49, 27 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The Amazing Race Philippines[edit]

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Unnecessary page. Show has only a single season, and no further seasons have yet been announced. The contents of the page are 50% copied material from The Amazing Race/The Amazing Race (U.S. TV series), while the other half is filled with overly-specific data concerning the destinations visited on The Amazing Race Philippines 1. We don't need to know four times over all the places they've gone, which are already covered on the aforementioned season page. Page should not exist until the show has more than one season, as with but a single season, it is not a series. Shadow2 (talk) 05:53, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

P.S.: Amazing Race (France) is a similar offender.

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. czar · · 06:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Philippines-related deletion discussions. czar · · 06:03, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of France-related deletion discussions. czar · · 06:04, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Reverse merge: Merge The Amazing Race Philippines 1 to The Amazing Race Philippines, then redirect The Amazing Race Philippines 1 to The Amazing Race Philippines. It is a TV series, as TV shows of episodic nature are by default, whether or not they 1 or more seasons. –H T D 06:09, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep: I see your point but there's still no harm with an article about the show and one about the episodes. Many other shows have done this. Also, I DON'T suggest deleting the article in the case a new season should appear to make it easily reversible. Just redirect the page so the information is kept if you must. --Kartoffel ⁰⁷ 13:50, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Agreeing with Kartoffel. I see no harm with this. Though the article has some 50% of the info copied from the Amazing Race main article, it was written there in order to put emphasis on the details of the show. The American and Philippine versions are identical, I know, but they are two different shows too. Geographical infos are highly informative too, it was added there for a reason. For easy access, for the people to see the complete tabulation of the places. I know people will always look for that, fan or not. And I think all of these info are are worth of keeping. So for all those reasons, I am disagreeing with the deletion.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 19:57, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If this is kept, much of the geographical data needs to be removed. It's incredibly superfluous. It's almost the exact same data, repeated four times unnecessarily. Shadow2 (talk) 22:32, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

~~If that is the case, I think the administrative and geographical regions can go. But, I think the other two tables are worth keeping.~~ --AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 06:36, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I changed my mind, I think all the tables are worth keeping. Geographically, the Philippines is divided into three geographical regions: Luzon, Visayas, and Mindanaom, and I think it will be okay to keep this details. The Philippines is also mostly known by political division, which is the provinces, and that is why we included that there. However, the Philippines is also divided into economic regions, which is a pseudo equal to states in some countries like the US. Since this version focuses on racing around the Philippines only, I think all this relevant table data are worth keeping. If ever this race goes global then, I think it will be okay to drop the administrative and geographical regions.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 11:27, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's too much. Simply too much. Shadow2 (talk) 06:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah it's pretty much useless (it's a stats dump), redundant (probably merge those in one table), and even wrong in some parts (Puerto Princesa is no longer in Palawan since ~2010). –H T D 15:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, okay. I have removed some tables now. I think, everything is okay now.--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 15:50, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, J04n(talk page) 01:16, 8 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge - With only one apparent season and no others forthcoming, plus the content duplication from the main international versions, the two articles can be pared into one. If a second season does appear, then splitting can make sense but that doesn't seem to be happening any time soon. --MASEM (t) 14:27, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - this AfD should probably be closed or relisted, since it was relisted on the 8th, but it's the 18th now. I don't have much experience closing AfDs, so I'm leaving this to an admin. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 07:35, 18 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mkdw ^talk 18:29, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge as suggested above. 122.176.146.47 (talk) 20:56, 19 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge - So far, there's only been one season, and while there may have been coverage, the article would just be mainly copied from the main The Amazing Race article plus long and possibly fan-crufty summaries. Until more seasons are made, I'd suggest a merge for now. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 08:16, 21 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per HTD as for now. The Philippine franchise has only aired one season and has no potential status on Philippine television ratings. See TAR around the world section, many of international TAR versions like Vietnam, Brazil and France, but they aired at least a single season and no plans to have another season. ApprenticeFan ^work 08:44, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: As far as I know, a second season is being heavily hinted as being planned according to the official twitter and facebook pages. (Don't take my word for it though if it doesn't materialise). If you could somehow incorporate information from the The Amazing Race Philippines into The Amazing Race Philippines 1 (ie. The general information about Roadblocks, etc., and how each of the mechanics specific to this version work) I'd be okay.--Kartoffel ⁰⁷ 05:51, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I am really okay for merging the season 1 article to the main article, however, it will now very difficult to determine if what information will be removed, and what information will stay. Personally, I have wrote certain informations that should only appear in the main article and not to be fused with a season article. However, if we push this through I think there will be a big problem merging the two articles. I know you guys were just giving us with your best opinions with the general practices in writing Wikipedia articles. But I think, as a Wikiproject member of the WP Amazing Race and one of the main contributor of the articles as well, the articles should be kept this way. We can trim down some things or some info, but for me, the best will be to retain the two article titles and not merge or delete any of it. Am I making sense... sirs?--AR E N Z O Y 1 6A•t a l k• 06:58, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: I decided to withdraw the French version, but it is still in production and signed its second series when the French franchise was aired between 4Q 2012. However, the program had kept to take time and had a long break. The Amazing Race Australia has two completed series and it signed for the third series, production took a break for over a year due to Grant Bowler's work commitment in his TV series Defiance. ApprenticeFan ^work 14:05, 25 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.