Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tavara

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The result was delete. Clear consensus that this fails WP:GNG and possibly fails WP:V. If somebody wants to work on this, I can userfy it for you, but based on the discussion here, I'm not optimistic about it getting back into mainspace. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:32, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Quite simply: I don't think this is real (and so, a fortiori, fails WP:GNG). I would call it a hoax but there is a single source to what appears to be an RS, but it's in Turkish and only in "snippet" view so I don't know what it says. I tried searching both "davara" and "tavara" with no luck. This initially looked promising but I'm pretty sure it's unrelated and was picked up by Wikipedia-scraping software or an unscrupulous archivist. I would have prodded this if not for the one source. Oh, and the author apparently has a COI with Özhan Öztürk, the author of the lone source in the article. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Mythology-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 06:11, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Expand and merge Okay, it exists. According to this Turkish definition site, "Tavara is a kind of ghost that closes your mouth in the night". Similar definitions here saying here that it presses you (and a couple of other definitions unrelated to this): [1], [2], [3]. A thing that this article misses is the synonym word of it, known throughout Turkey: Karabasan (dark presser), which has an English page called Mare (folklore). So I say, merge it with Mare (folklore), since it has a "By region" section. Don't worry about the expanding, as I'm going to do it after participating in the AfD. ~Styyx ^{Hi! ^-^} 07:03, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in mind for Turkey related subjects: to search sources add "nedir" (what is) or "kimdir" (who is) behind the name, for example: Tavara nedir. You will get more sources. Also I found out that the original article (currently the first sentence), is a copy of this. ~Styyx ^{Hi! ^-^} 07:35, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete The first two citations are just clickbait sites. The other two, TGRT and Sabah, are reasonably RS, but they make no mention of 'tavara'; they only talk about 'karabasar' (which AFAIK is just a generic word for nightmare, but I'm not 100% sure), and as we only have this article claiming that they mean the same thing, I don't see how we can use those as sources either. The book claimed as a source, I cannot read, therefore cannot verify. Also, while it doesn't prove anything as such, interesting to note nevertheless that the Turkish wiki has nothing on this, as in no article, but also no mentions of 'tavara' (well, two actually, but neither is relevant). I think this is either OR or just a hoax or some sort; therefore, unless considerably better references can be added, it has no place in an encyclopaedia, not even merged into a wider topic. -- DoubleGrazing (talk) 11:12, 11 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks,

Salvio

09:33, 19 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, MBisanz ^talk 15:29, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: The sources do not address the subject directly and indepth. Some sources don't address the subject at all. BEFORE showed nothing that does. Above mentioned sources don't address the subject directly and in depth and search for Tavara nedir showed nothing. Searched some JSTOR journals (Journal of Folklore Research, Journal of the Folklore Institute, etc), a search brought this up [4] but doesn't address the subject.

Source	Reliable?	Significant coverage?	Count source toward GNG?
Source assessment table:
https://www.nedemek.org/tavara+nedir	? No idea if this is an authority for folklore	A dictionary. Tertiary. Not a secondary source providing direct and indepth coverage	✘ No
https://www.karakese.com/kelime/108715/tavara-tavara-ne-demek-tavara-anlami	? No idea if this is an authority for folklore	A dictionary. Tertiary. Not a secondary source providing direct and indepth coverage	✘ No
https://www.tgrthaber.com.tr/aktuel/karabasan-nedir-neden-olur-karabasan-kimlere-basar-karabasan-bilimsel-aciklamasi-2656335	? No idea if this is an authority for folklore	Subject of the article is nightmares and does not mention the topic	✘ No
https://www.sabah.com.tr/galeri/yasam/karabasan-nedir-kimlere-basar/8	? No idea if this is an authority for folklore	Subject of the article is nightmares and does not mention the topic	✘ No
https://www.sabah.com.tr/galeri/yasam/karabasan-nedir-kimlere-basar/18	? No idea if this is an authority for folklore	Subject of the article/photo gallery is nightmares and does not mention the topic	✘ No
Öztürk, Özhan. (Black Sea: Encyclopedic Dictionary) Karadeniz Ansiklopedik Sözlük. 2 Vol. Heyamola Publishing. Istanbul. 2005		Encyclopedic Dictionary. Tertiary. Does not address the subject directly and indepth.	✘ No
This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Created using {{source assess table}}.

// Timothy :: talk 11:50, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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