Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stefan Roots

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The result was delete‎. If this article subject does become notable in the future, let me know and I'll restore the page to Draft space. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:43, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Stefan Roots[edit]

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Fails WP:NPOLITICIAN – local government officials are not automatically notable. There are plenty of local sources present in the article, but there's nothing to indicate that this person is notable beyond being part of a city council for a city with a population of ~33,000 people. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Politicians and Pennsylvania. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:48, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Not enough here to justify a standalone article for this person. Agree with nom in whole User:Let'srun 18:46, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: WP:N states that a subject should have significant coverage from reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Roots has received significant coverage from reliable, independent sources such as the Philadelphia Inquirer, WHYY.org, www.Fox29.com and www.delcotimes.com. WP:N does not say that coverage must be "non-local".

Roots is more than "just part of a city council". He won the Democratic primary for the election of the next Mayor of Chester, Pennsylvania by defeating a two term incumbent. Since Chester is a Democratic stronghold and there is no Republican candidate for mayor, he will become the next mayor of Chester in November. WP:NPOLITICIAN states that "This also applies to people who have been elected to such offices but have not yet assumed them."

Chester is more than just "a city with a population of ~33,000". It is the oldest city in Pennsylvania, contains multiple locations on the U.S. National Register of Historical Places, hosts a Major League Soccer franchise and has a significant impact on all of Delaware County, Pennsylvania. The mayor of Chester is a major local political figure. See also: List of mayors of Chester, Pennsylvania

If the result of the AfD is to delete, I would submit this page again after the November election because Roots would then meet notability requirements as a major local political figure as mayor. Dwkaminski (talk) 19:10, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're using a WP:CRYSTALBALL and assuming that he's going to be the next mayor, but mayors are not inherently notable either. Hey man im josh (talk) 11:56, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not assuming he will win. The reliable, independent sources referenced are stating that he is likely to win. Dwkaminski (talk) 16:18, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, obviously without prejudice against recreation in the future if he accrues a stronger notability claim. City councillors are not "inherently" notable just for being city councillors at all, and Chester is not large enough that even its mayors would get an automatic presumption of notability just for being mayors either — and since all local politicians can always show local coverage in their local media, such run of the mill coverage is not in and of itself enough to secure passage of WP:GNG in the absence of some nationalizing coverage demonstrating that his notability is wider than just purely local to one small city.
For either mayors or city councillors, the notability test is not passed just by using the bare minimum of sourcing necessary to verify that he exists — it's passed by writing a substantial article about his political impact: specific things he did, specific projects he spearheaded, specific effects his time in office had on the development of the city, and on and so forth. So the time to start an article about a municipal politician is neither "five minutes after he's declared the winner of the mayoral election" nor "as soon as he wins the primary several months before the election" — it's "after he's already been in office long enough to have a record for us to write about". Bearcat (talk) 16:16, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete In general, for local officials, we want to see sourcing that shows "more than they exist." We want to be able to write about their accomplishments in office, and the impact they had on their community and their community's development. This standard is true for mayors and elected executives, and especially true for members of the legislative branch of city/county/special district governance. While not required, it is helpful to use non-local sources to show this impact (as we are a global project). --Enos733 (talk) 16:26, 4 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.