Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sheree Silver

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The result was delete. MBisanz ^talk 02:30, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Sheree Silver

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Her only claim to notability appears to be that she appeared as a member of the public on a game show. Every single other source is her personal promotional web site. A google search gives 315 hits for the exact phrase "Sheree Silver", checking through the first couple pages shows nothing beyond a little information about her game show appearance, her personal web pages, and then a rapid decline in quality to her facebook account and so on. For the record, my real name - which is much more unusual - gets 3,630 ghits. Shoemaker's Holiday (talk) 06:27, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• Delete as not notable - she has published a book (with Infinity Press, a print-on-demand publisher), has been on a reality show, and has been interviewed on "Good Morning America Now" and some radio shows. 15 minutes of fame, perhaps, but I don't see "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject" as required by WP:N. JohnCD (talk) 16:13, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
• Delete Exists, but not really any sources appropriate for writing an article. No prejudice to recreation if such coverage emerges at a later date. - Eldereft (cont.) 17:45, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• Keep This article already meets notability standards outlined in WP:N and W:N (People) Contention A: This article provides "significant coverage", because I did not mention any original research and addressed criticism in my revised entry. Contention B: The sources are "reliable" because information is taken from the source's website(s), local newspapers, and national outlets such as the Wife Swap website. Contention C: Regarding "Sources," 17 different are cited. Contention D: 15 of 17 sources are "Independent of the subject." Contention C: Regarding "Sources," with latest updates 32 are cited. Contention D: 20 of these 32 (not counting duplicates) are "Independent of the Subject." Contention E: There is no "presumed" of notability, because it is already official that Dr. Silver will appear on national television for a second time, and has fought to do her work in her county. Furthermore, based on my latest revisions, the statements originally made to prompt flagging this article for deletion are primarily now invalid (As mentioned in Contentions A, C, and D). I also find it peculiar that @Shoemaker, who marked this article for deletion, failed to read the article fully. Dr. Silver was definitely NOT a "member of the public on a game show." She was featured on reality television with another family; Wife Swap documents two family lives and interaction - plus, she did it TWICE.Spring12 (talk) 00:25, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

And in addition to my earlier contentions, I'd like to point out another one of @Shoemaker's statements: "My name has 3,630ghits." According to WP:N (People), under "Invalid Citera:" Avoid criteria based on search engine statistics (e.g., Google hits or Alexa ranking), or measuring the number of photos published online. The adult film industry, for example, uses Googlebombing to influence rankings, and for most topics Google cannot easily differentiate between useful references and mere text matches. See also limitations of Alexa. When using Google to help establish the notability of a topic, evaluate the quality, not the quantity, of the links. Also, Dr. Silver meets general citera by being shown on national television (twice), appearing in print media in the last two decades, and being interviewed on national talk shows.Spring12 (talk) 20:23, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  19:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)

• Delete The article is on a non-notable person. It is however, well written, so the author does deserve some credit for this Macromonkey (talk) 12:00, 22 February 2009 (UTC)

• Against Deletion. Comment by Shoemaker's Holiday is totally not factual. Dr. Silver did not appear on a "game show" She appeared on Wife Swap, which is a wildly popular "reality" show which has been shown all over the world. ABC stated it was viewed by 6 million people, the first time it aired. It has aired 4 or 5 times since then in the US. So, it can be stated that Dr. Silver's name has been heard by at least 25 million people in the United States. The Silver Family and one other family have been chosen from the first 100 episodes, for a repeat appearance. The second swap has been taped and will air FRIDAY, MARCH 13, 2009. I doubt that any of her critics here can approach her notability. Oh, by the way, in addition to presenting lectures and workshops, she has appeared on local television and radio for years, before going national, teaching on metaphysical topics and hosting call-in programs.

A search of http://staugustine.com/ the web site of the St. Augustine (FL) Record, shows 31 articles mentioning Dr. Silver's name in the last 6 years. She has also been mentioned several times in the Florida Times Union. This is obviously not your average citizen.

• Delete Appearing on Wife Swap and being mentioned in the local paper does not satisfy WP:BIO. ScienceApologist (talk) 14:34, 23 February 2009 (UTC)

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