Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Shahal Khan

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The result was delete. $Salvio$ ^{Let's talk about it!} 10:42, 31 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Shahal Khan[edit]

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No indication of notability according to Wikipedia:Notability (people). He is mentioned only in passing in the references given, and there seems to be no substantial coverage of him online in reliable, secondary sources. Ruby Murray 06:05, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Ruby Murray 06:07, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Middle East-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 17:10, 1 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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The indications of notability for Shahal Khan.

1. The Nation: World’s leading investors assure of investment in energy sector

"On the occasion, Shahal Khan said that Royal Partners Energy would invest $800 million by setting up 660 megawatt power plant in Punjab and Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) to this effect had already been signed."^[1]

2. Pakistan provides immense business potential for international investors: Dar

"Alun Richards, Chief Investment Office, Shahal Khan, Royal Partners Energy, Nicolas Perrault Director Calvalley Petroleum, Pedro Costa, Managing Director, Yazit yusuff, Head of Capital Markets, RHB Islamic Bank, Haji Malik Shah, Colt Resources, Waleed Mushtaq, Pakisan International Business & Investment Council and Economic Advisor Finance Ministry Rana Asad Amin were also present in the meeting."^[2] — Tabmi (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic.

Delete, only passing references and sources directly associated with the subject of the article. No substantial coverage. SchreiberBike talk 00:07, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Comment, the deletion template was edited out of the article by User:Tabmi. I have restored it. SchreiberBike talk 00:18, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

SchreiberBike, please explain what you mean by "Delete, only passing references and sources directly associated with the subject of the article. No substantial coverage." I am trying to understand how I can better enhance this article and will comply to Wikipedia's editing code. I just need to understand what you mean. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tabmi (talk • contribs) 14:03, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabmi:, The criteria for inclusion in Wikipedia is referred to as notability. There has been much debate and many words written about what constitutes notability. The summary is at WP:GNG; there's also much more detail there. Basically, there needs to be significant coverage of a person in sources independent of the individual. The references in Shahal Khan are either directly associated with the subject of the article, like a company website, or passing references, quotes from Khan, but not articles about Khan. If there are articles or books written about Khan out there, those references could be added to the article and that would help establish notability. I hope that helps. SchreiberBike talk 19:08, 5 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@SchreiberBike:, You clarification is much appreciated. I have rewritten several aspects of this article and used alternate sources.22:10, 8 March 2014 (EST)

@SchreiberBike:, Hi SchreiberBike, may I close this conversation, or are there any additional steps required to meet Wikipedia's notability guideline for biographies?

@Tabmi:, I just went through the seven references in the article. Five don't mention Khan, Globalturk Capital is directly associated with Khan as he is one of their "partners", the Bloomberg Buisnessweek profile is only a profile, not independent reporting. Articles or books written about Khan would help establish notability. My guess is that he is not now notable and I would not change my comment above recommending deletion. Many important people do not meet the criteria to be part of Wikipedia. SchreiberBike talk 18:46, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Mr. Stradivarius ^{♪ talk ♪} 11:19, 12 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

@SchreiberBike:, I will go through the source list mentioned in your previous comment.

1. http://globalturkcapital.com/managementSkh.aspx

You are correct. This source should be removed as it is directly associated with Khan. I will verify if there are any third party sources related to this topic (books, magazines, newspapers).

2. http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/private/person.asp?personId=135039333&privcapId=130399224

Although this source is a profile, it is written by a third party source [Bloomberg Businessweek] unrelated to the Shahal Khan individual. In this case, the profile relates to the overall coverage of the following company snapshot:

Independent Power and Renewable Electricity Producers > Company Overview of Zeba Solar Private Limited

In the case of the Wikipedia article, this source is used to show that the individual is involved in several types of industries.

3. http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Centile%27s+New+Partnership+Model+Serves+as+a+Catalyst+for+the+VoIP...-a0136637591

This source does mention Shahal Khan in the article:

Many carriers and new entrants to the VoIP market find that the initial capital outlay in the deployment of an infrastructure, coupled with a lack of knowledge, are the two most prohibitive factors in deploying a robust VoIP network. The IntraSwitch possesses all of the key features needed to launch VoIP for residential and enterprise customers. With Centile's new partnership business model, carriers can benefit from a solution with high level features and focus on building market share.

"Centile's objective in launching a partnership business model is to allow hundreds of new VoIP companies to grow rapidly. This is a central part in helping the future transition to database communication services from the traditional telephony network. VoIP and related multimedia services need to be focused on end client value", said Shahal Khan, Centile CEO. "If carriers can couple top quality services with an aggressive pricing strategy to enter the market, they will then enable critical mass and growth to occur in the VoIP industry over the next 3 years and beyond. Centile's goal is to be the rocket fuel for many companies that want to experience high rates of growth in this industry."

This third party source is used in this specific Wikipedia article to show that the Shahal Khan individual is involved with a notable company named Centile, which was one of the first company to get a license to provide VoIP services.

4. http://www.chamberofcommerce.com/bridgewater-nj/26115539-global-voice-telecom-llc/

Shahal Khan is mentioned in this source. But I see that chamberofcommerce.com seems to be a PR tool for some companies. I will remove this source as it is not a credible source for an encyclopedia.

5. www.aaj.tv/2014/02/pakistan-provides-immense-business-potential-for-international-investors-dar/

You are correct. This third party source does not mention Shahal Khan in detail. I have found an alternate source for this specific topic:

http://www.thenews.com.pk/Todays-News-6-235557-Leading-investors-visit-RCCI

6. http://www.cleantechinvestor.com/portal/mainmenucomp/companiesq/3027-quimera/11051-quimera.html

You are correct. Although this source speaks about EV innovation from Quimera's management team, it does not mention Khan specifically in the article. I read that Khan was involved in the EV innovation industry with a notable company (Quimera) that produced the first all electric GT car in the world.

http://www.quimera-project.com/Html/Quimera-Managment.html

7. http://www.nation.com.pk/business/28-Feb-2014/world-s-leading-investors-assure-of-investment-in-energy-sector

This third party source, The Nation Newspaper, does speak of Shahal Khan. Additionally it was printed on the February 27, 2014 version of 'The Nation' Newspaper in Pakistan.

http://www.nation.com.pk/E-Paper/lahore/2014-02-28/page-8

I will make the aforementioned changes.

References[edit]

^ "World's leading investors assure of investment in energy sector". The Nation. Retrieved 4 March 2014.
^ "Pakistan provides immense business potential for international investors: Dar". AAJ News.

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, NorthAmerica¹⁰⁰⁰ 15:28, 21 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. Does not pass notability requirements and this article is clearly promotional. --PDX er1 (talk) 15:05, 26 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Article created by a SPA fails WP:BIO. There are few usernames editing this article warrants a SPI. I'm reporting it. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:25, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reported here, Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Tabmi. Anupmehra -Let's talk! 18:31, 30 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

[W1-1] "World's leading investors assure of investment in energy sector". The Nation. Retrieved 4 March 2014.

[W2-2] "Pakistan provides immense business potential for international investors: Dar". AAJ News.

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