Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Satya Aditya Waiba

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Missvain (talk) 01:55, 5 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Satya Aditya Waiba[edit]

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Seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. She produced few songs in collaboration with hiser sister and sources are all about release of their songs. I could not locate in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources. Fails WP:GNG, WP:MUSICBIO. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of India-related deletion discussions. Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 18:05, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep

WP:GNG-If the producer has received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the producer, it is presumed that the producer is suitable for a stand-alone article or list.
Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself.
WP:ANYBIO- The person has made a widely recognized contribution that is part of the enduring historical record in a specific field.
And the subject is 'he' not 'she! The very fact that the 'deletion nominator' has presumed the subject to be a female proves how shallow his/her research on the subject is. Despite the following publications readily available clearly stating the gender and contribution of the subject. I am citing English publications only for the benefit for my fellow editors, Nepali publications are numerous too. Unfortunately, there aren't just enough English publications in Nepal nor the Nepali diaspora big enough to sustain such publications in other countries.

Thank You--Tabletop123 (talk) 20:41, 29 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabletop123: If I've mistakenly addressed him as her, it does not mean that I have not done the research well. Now lets get back to the point, as I've clearly stated above that the sources cited in the article do not have in-depth significant coverage and the ones you posted above are mere mentions in passing and do not add up to SIGCOV and it fails WP:GNG. He is the son of a famous folk singer. However, notability is not inherited by a relationship to notable people and there should be enough independent, non trivial coverage to have a standalone article.

You stated it meets WP:BIO, could you explain how? All i can see is his elder sister re-recorded an album consisting of seven songs, originally sung by her mother, which the subject has produced and there is some coverage concerning release of the album.

If you believe he's got more coverage in Nepali language newspapers, post them below, and I or someone else will analyze them.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 10:27, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Pamzeis (talk) 05:15, 6 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

~~Keep~~- Subject received significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the producer.1 2 Tabletop123 (talk) 09:43, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabletop123: You can't vote more than once, please remove one of them. And the sources you pointed to above are the same ones and I have already explained above as to why these sources do not demonstrate notability.--Umakant Bhalerao (talk) 11:32, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The process here is not a 'vote'. One can voice his/her opinion as many times as willing.Tabletop123 (talk) 19:20, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabletop123 while you can make multiple comments you should only make 1 formal (bolded) "not vote". Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:34, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Barkeep49 (talk) 01:33, 15 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Music producers haven't given much credit in Wikipedia, especially from the Nepali music industry. Subject has been covered impartially. 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7 Tabletop123 (talk) 18:39, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Under the most charitable interpretation of these sources possible, these are mere passing mentions. Every single article presented so far is actually about this person's relatives -- their mother or sister. Notability is WP:NOTINHERITED and notability requires WP:SIGCOV, which these references do not demonstrate. The other arguments for keep amount to WP:ITSIMPORTANT or WP:ILIKEIT. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 18:14, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment:

Subject has been covered in reliable sources with editorial integrity independent of the subject and has verifiable evidence.
Has received attention from independent sources to support a claim of notability.
Subject’s work is encyclopaedic and knowledge about this subject is useful and it has a realistic potential for expansion.
Mentions of subject is true, verifiable and neutral point of view.

Tabletop123 (talk) 18:57, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Tabletop123:, the points above have already been made twice before and making them multiple times does not mean that the editor who closes this discussion will weigh them more heavily. In point of fact, it often results in exactly the opposite effect. The one vital point of notability that you gloss over in the above, however, is significant coverage. Multiple passing mentions are still passing mentions. Every source presented is not about this subject, but about their relatives. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 21:04, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Without the producer (subject), this music genre wouldn't exist. Thanks.Tabletop123 (talk) 22:34, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: In my opinion, this is leaning towards being deleted, but there have only been 3 editors who have contributed to this discussion. I'd like to see if giving it one more week can solicit opinions from other editors to form a clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ‑Scottywong | [confer] || 23:52, 27 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough in relisting. Having said that there are various and non-partial evidence of the subject and his work being encyclopedic. I would lean towards keep. Remember, Nepal does not have as many media houses, print or otherwise as other more developed or populous countries, nor are Nepali music producers ever covered. It's only always the singer who is covered or written about. The subject would be the first Nepali music producer listed in Wiki if the article is approved and rightly so.--Tabletop123 (talk) 00:39, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As you have been told before, posting multiple times with bolded !votes is not acceptable behavior in an AfD. Please, for the love of sanity, ready, understand, and follow WP:BLUDGEON. This is coming very close to WP:DISRUPT. Also, at the risk of stating the obvious, this is the English language Wikipedia, not the most important Wikipedia. There is a Nepali-language Wikipedia and a Nepali subject may be better covered there. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 03:24, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, you are getting a bit personal with your choice of words aren't you? The first time you did it I passed it as a free one. Do I also detect a hint of prejudice and almost a suggestion that Nepali articles are not good enough for English wiki? Steer clear of such intentions.--Tabletop123 (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete and SALT. Promotion of a subject who is not yet notable. Eric Carr (talk) 18:00, 28 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The subject has not attained independent notability. I can't find anything other than contributions on one album with his sister three years ago. Harland Q Pitt 05:48, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete it seems to be a case of WP:TOOSOON. , No evidence of Notability on the few sources , Samat lib (talk) 22:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It needs more significant sources.--Blurz (talk) 00:46, 3 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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