Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roman Miroshnichenko

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was no consensus‎ (procedural). This debate has been open for weeks now. I do find the 'delete' rationale to be the most persuasive (and even those opining 'weak keep' acknowledge some of the issues). The problem I face is that while I find the 'delete' arguments more persuasive, there has been little to no support for that position due to a lack of participation.

I would encourage this to be renominated at some point in the future if the issues aren't resolved, and if it is, please ping me and I will semi-protect the debate to prevent a repeat of the sockpuppetry and disruption seen here. Daniel (talk) 23:54, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Roman Miroshnichenko[edit]

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Wikipedia is not a vanity publisher or a PR platform. Refbombed spam for non notable individual. has a massive primary sourced laundry list of so called awards but they are not major awards (or for the most part remotely credible). None of the many listed charts are GOODCHARTS. Refbombed sources lack independent coverage in reliable sources. duffbeerforme (talk) 11:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Actors and filmmakers, Bands and musicians, Russia, and Ukraine. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep for the Independent Music Awards win and the Hollywood Music award nominations, but we'd need to TNT or cut much of the fat from this. Oaktree b (talk) 13:36, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

They are not even close to being major awards. They are not even credible awards. There is no policy based justification for keeping self nominated pay for play award farm suckers. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Independent Music Awards (IMAs) notable winners and nominees have included such world renown musicians as Macy Gray, Simon Phillips, Foreigner, George Benson, Jeff Healey, Paul Wertico, Frank Colon, Marco Benevento, Roberto Tola, Paquito D’Rivera, to name a few. By continuing to insult and develop unfounded nervous demagoguery (apparently, out of envy of more successful artists), you only continue to discredit yourself, demonstrating complete ignorance and lack of awareness of the issues you have raised. What a shame! Molgav (talk) 11:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The IMAs article (about the award, not about this person), is sourced to Billboard, it seemed notable to me as far as awards go, meaning this guy would be higher-up on the notability "check-list" if you will, as he was a winner. Oaktree b (talk) 19:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Sure IMAs might be barely notable (questionable) but that does not make them a major award. Award farms like that are a dime a dozen and they don't inherit credibility from then artists they give awards to. duffbeerforme (talk) 00:58, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have evidence that IMA is a pay to play award farm? Llajwa (talk) 20:07, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Check their site and FAQ. They are quite open that their awards are a promotional tool. And better hurry if you want to get in on the action, entries close in January 2020. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And the big problem there Oaktree b was that that Billboard article had nothing to do with those awards which didn't happen that year. They covered the AIM ones. Fortunately now someone has removed it. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:14, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This article consists exclusively of confirmed facts that can be documented, including a list of achievements at recognized major music competitions in the world. You must understand that you are taking on too much responsibility and making unfounded and biased judgments in a rude manner about anything, including encroaching on the dignity and business reputation of both the artist himself and the individuals and companies listed in the article. Molgav (talk) 16:00, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep While he has received a total of 50-plus nominations with 23 wins in multiple international songwriting contests and music awards in 9 countries and recorded and performed with world-renowned musicians. 188.123.231.73 (talk) 21:59, 25 October 2023 (UTC) Struck sock vote.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't !vote twice. duffbeerforme (talk) 23:40, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The article contains enough facts with external links to authoritative official sources confirming the status of the individual and the high level of his achievements 87.116.176.156 (talk) 14:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC) Struck sock vote.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:35, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Daniel (talk) 18:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Maliner (talk) 19:51, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Very weak keep Unless IMA really is a fake, vanity award outfit, this musician seems to me to squeak through the notability gate - but the page should be cut by 80% to bring it in line with Wikipedia norms for ordinary, notable journeyman musicians. Llajwa (talk) 20:09, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Which criteria does it squeak through? Otherwise WP:JUSTNOTABLE. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep The biographical facts in the article are supported by references to official sources. Not everyone is included in the heroes of the Great Jazz Guitarists encyclopaedia of the world's largest authoritative publishing house Hal Leonard. And being on the same pedestal of nominees and winners of respectable music awards, such as Hollywood Music Awards, The Independent Music Awards, USA Songwriting Competition along with world stars is just another of the many confirmations of notable status. Not counting many other achievements and recognition in the world.Loserseater (talk) 19:08, 10 November 2023 (UTC)Strike sock -- Ponyo^{bons mots} 22:47, 15 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Evading a block with a sock puppet to !vote a fourth time is not allowed. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I would say he meets WP:MUSICBIO criterion 8 and 9, with many competition and award nominations and wins. Royal88888 (talk) 04:34, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Royal88888, again, please cite/link the sources you are speaking of, otherwise other editors will just assume you are siding with the majority vote since I havent came across any of your AfD participation where you were early, you somewhat come up last. dxneo (talk) 09:24, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Dxneo I did not mention any sources, so your question does not make any sense. My argument is that he has won or been nominated for awards and competitions and per WP:MUSICBIO he would qualify. These are listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Miroshnichenko#Awards_and_honors The corresponding sources to verify are also listed, so I don't need to waste time and repost them here. Anyone reading the article can easily see them and verify. Royal88888 (talk) 02:54, 13 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And both of those MUSICBIO criteria say MAJOR. Which of the competitions or "awards" are you calling major. duffbeerforme (talk) 13:02, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is there an official list of major awards approved by law, such as the US State Department or another similar organisation? Instead of speculation, please, present this list, if you're authorised. Please, official list, which isn't limited by your own preferences and breadth of horizons. Not some "top-list" from pulp or gloss magazines or list , but the official, State list, having legal force. Loserseater (talk) 14:23, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A State Department approved list of official music awards? Great trolling. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 02:23, 12 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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