Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roma people national football team (2nd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Mango juice^talk 18:25, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Roma people national football team[edit]

This article was originally deleted per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Roma people national football team. The objection to the article was the fact that the team hadn't played a single match. The article was recently recreated, after the team's first match. This article was nominated for speedy deletion per G4, recreation of deleted content. I have declined the speedy nom, because the main objection has been addressed and the article is sufficiently different from the deleted article. I'm moving this to AFD instead. Procedural listing, no opinion. A ecis^Brievenbus 23:27, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of sports-related deletions. A ecis^Brievenbus 23:37, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep In the 1st nomination the deletion of the article was based in the fact that those team had never played a match in their history, that situation isn't true anymore, as you can see in the article, these team played their first match during this week. Calapez 23:41, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of football (soccer) related deletions. BlueValour 02:00, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - if they represent "Roma peoples around the world", they cannot be a National Team in the normally accepted sense of the phrase. They've played one game, against another side that doesn't represent a recognised country either. - fchd 05:27, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment The team they played their first match against Southern Cameroon national football team has a wikipedia article as does the Nouvelle Fédération-Board, to which the Roma team are apparently now affiliated. Not representing a recognised country is surely then no reason therefore for the article to be deleted. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 18:55, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
  - Comment - Yes, I'm aware of that. I don't think any of the NF Board teams are notable enough to deserve an article, this one even more so. On whose authority do they represent the Roma people of the world? - fchd 19:13, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
    - Comment I have to disagree with fchd. While some of the NFB-teams really have borderline notability others, such as Greenland and Zanzibar were widely portrayed in the media and took part in televised tournaments like the 2006 FIFI Wild Cup. Malc82 21:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. They're not a FIFA national team, but apparently they are a Nouvelle Fédération-Board team, and most of the NFB teams have articles of their own. --Metropolitan90 06:44, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep as a team which represents an entity and has in fact (now) played a match. The question of whether or not it's a "national team" (which relies on a different definition of "nation" to the one FIFA seems to use) can be hashed out elsewhere, but that's not a reason to delete the article. BigHaz - Schreit mich an 07:43, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep recognised by Nouvelle Fédération-Board and as teams they recognise have articles this is no different and therefore is notable. ♦Tangerines BFC ♦·Talk 12:50, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Weak Delete Borderline notability, as of now they don't seem to have sufficient notability. I'm only supporting Delete because of WP:CRYSTAL, it's very likely they will play more games and become notable in a few months. As of now the NFB's inclusion standards just look too open for them to be enough of an authority. Malc82 21:34, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - fails WP:V. There is no independent evidence when/if this match took place (the source has no date for the game) and there are no independent sources per WP:RS. What is the organisation of this team? How do we know they represent the Roma people? Sorry, at the moment there are too many questions and too few answers. BlueValour 21:44, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per calapez.IP198 15:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Delete You're gonna have to find sources for these types of things. (→zel zany - fish) 23:39, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I don't know if it qualifies as a reliable source, but the match is mentioned on the forum of the official website of the NF Board: [1]. A ecis^Brievenbus 00:03, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - a note on a discussion forum doesn't seem very definitive. The main pages not only doesn't mention the date but neither source says what the competition was nor include any of the basic details such as players to check the teams represent who they say they do. BlueValour 10:09, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep They played and there are corroborating sources. Whether the article is 'important' or not is irrelevant and by personal judgement.mercator79 00:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - sorry, but when did they play; the source doesn't say? Why are there no newspaper reports if the game took place? The one source, could be a WP:SPS and certainly isn't a WP:RS. BlueValour 02:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Keep It does not matter if it is or not a recognized national team, especially for NF-Board team. It is around a world, however it is a national team. For some people it is a national team and I think this is an encyclopedic article for national teams that are not recognized but exist.--KRBN 19:19, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - sorry again, but who do they represent? Which spokesperson for the Roma people says they represent them? Who selected them? etc. BlueValour 02:15, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Weak Keep As said above, borderline notability. However I am given the impression that in the coming months/years they will have sufficiently gained enough notability to be included. The Filmaker 14:44, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - where is the evidence for this, otherwise it is just Crystal balling? - fchd 15:21, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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