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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Regarding the article page tite, you can either "Be Bold" or start a Move discussion on the article talk page. Liz Read! Talk! 07:29, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Rising Shore Roanoke[edit]

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Not notable; no reviews or other third-party citations provided. Skyerise (talk) 23:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • This novel did not get wide distribution, but it is a book that was discussed on radio shows and had some circulation. I would think this meets the guidelines for an article. I updated the article to include interviews with the author and reviews of the book. Klok000 (talk) 02:28, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • That review you added, "Bookpleasures" is not the kind of source that we should cite. Interviews with the author don't help either. The novel is self-published, though the article doesn't say that, and I don't think the author can make a claim for notability. Delete. Drmies (talk) 02:36, 4 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:

    A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:

    1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.
    Sources
    1. Bird-Guilliams, Mary Kay (August 2007). "Homsher, Deborah. The Rising Shore--Roanoke". Library Journal. Vol. 132, no. 13. p. 68. Archived from the original on 2024-01-07. Retrieved 2024-01-07 – via Gale.

      The review notes: "The invented portions are believable, including the ending--you can debate the details, but it seems quite logical. ... Lots of violence and tragedy in this version of early American history; most public libraries will want to purchase for readers who enjoyed Jane Smiley's The All-True Travels and Adventures of Lidie Newton."

    2. Riddle, Mary Ellen (2007-08-24). "Author's Lost Colony solution is intriguing". The Virginian-Pilot. Archived from the original on 2024-01-07. Retrieved 2024-01-07.

      The review notes: "What truly sings in Homsher's work is her amazing ability to understand life. On every page, she analyzes it with a powerful voice. One is astounded to find that the words are unique and apt. ... Homsher writes about women like Elenor who have been involved in American adventure and faced violence. In the end, she crafts a solution to The Lost Colony. It flowered in the mind of a gifted writer."

    3. Jacobs, Meredith (2008-03-09). "Tangled love, a Christian trilogy". The Fayetteville Observer. Archived from the original on 2024-01-07. Retrieved 2024-01-07.

      The article notes: "Deborah Homsher, a journalist and author, has written “The Rising Shore — Roanoke.” The novel tells what two women might have experienced as members of the Lost Colony. The story is told from the viewpoint of Elenor Dare, the mother of the first English child born in North America, and her servant, Margaret Lawrence."

    4. "The Fiction Shelf: The Rising Shore Roanoke". Small Press Bookwatch. Vol. 6, no. 4. Midwest Book Review. April 2007. Archived from the original on 2024-01-07. Retrieved 2024-01-07.

      The article notes: "The Rising Shore Roanoke is a novel of the famous lost American colony, from the perspectives of two women who sailed from London to the shore of Virginia's wilderness in 1587. The adventurous daughter of the expedition's leader chafes at the societal restraints placed upon her gender, while her female servant dares to walk an independent path among the struggling colony. Their journey will take them through the Caribbean and climax in the Outer Banks region of North America. An enthralling saga of a colony presumed doomed, due to historical record of its founder's return from a three-year supply trip to find nothing left of the settlement except the word "Croatoan" carved on a post."

    5. Newman, Janis Cooke (2008-01-20). "Faye Dasen: Novel About Mary Lincoln Is a Keeper". The Pilot. Archived from the original on 2024-01-07. Retrieved 2024-01-07.

      The review notes: "Homsher's historical fiction tells the story of the voyage and settlement via the points of view of Elenor White Dare and Margaret Lawrence, her servant. Elenor, who is an intelligent woman, marries Ananias Dare simply so she can make the journey with her father, John White. She and Margaret both have dreams of bettering themselves in some way. ... Homsher has a way with words."

    There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow The Rising Shore – Roanoke to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

    Cunard (talk) 05:59, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting in light of new sources located.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 22:44, 10 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:18, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • comment I don't do book deletion discussions as a rule, but I note that the article ought to be at The Rising Shore — Roanoke, which is the actual title of the book. Mangoe (talk) 23:32, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep in line with the references so wonderfully found and added, and support renaming per Mangoe. --Ouro (blah blah) 12:35, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I'd probably avoid using the Midwest Book Review source given the criticisms in the Wikipedia article, notably that they were basically accused of being a positive review mill. Other than that, I think that there are enough reviews to establish notability. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 16:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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