Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rick Boyce

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. MBisanz ^talk 02:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Rick Boyce

Individual is non notable. Article has been submitted twice prior with PROD. Original editor removed PROD tag without change to article. Reference insubstantial with cited text. Possible commercial or vanity page Jettparmer (talk) 16:04, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

• This statement made by jettparmer is not accurate: "Original editor removed PROD tag without change to article." A footnote supporting the claim that Boyce was an early pioneer of Internet commercialization was added to this article prior to the PROD tag being removed.Nolatime (talk) 18:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)nolatime
• Keep The article could definitely do with a bit more work, but there's no doubt about the notability of the man who invented pioneered the commercial application of the banner ad. I don't know what he means by "reference insubstantial" - the cited book spends 41 pages on this individual. This proposal should be seen in the context of Jettparmer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) recent obsessional onslaught on the Ken McCarthy article. DaveApter (talk) 17:24, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep The subject of the article made a significant and very early contribution to the development of the banner ad model and now there's a verifiable albeit short statement to that effect on wikipedia. In the future, people interested and knowledgeable about this subject may add additional detail. The claim that the reference cited is "insubstantial" is strange. Boyce's contribution is described in significant detail in a book published by a major publisher.Nolatime (talk) 18:38, 24 January 2009 (UTC)nolatime

Comment - Did you read the reference book? The three pages mentioning his name can be viewed online The reference makes quite clear that Boyce did not invent the banner ad, nor did he "significantly" add to its development. He is a salesman. Jettparmer (talk) 13:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• • I respectfully request that Jettparmer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) please read the following before submitting this or any article for deletion. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion "Before nominating an article for deletion" Nolatime (talk) 19:05, 24 January 2009 (UTC)Nolatime

Read them , thanks. that's why I put this to AfD vice the removed PROD from two other nominations. Jettparmer (talk) 14:36, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

Keep Conditional Keep meets WP:N, just needs some work. Providing a reliable source is found for him creating the banner ad, otherwise, delete --Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 20:10, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Internet-related deletion discussions. -- the wub "?!" 13:18, 25 January 2009 (UTC)
• Clarification: No claim is made in this article that Boyce "invented" the banner ad. Tim Berners-Lee would get credit for the core WWW protocols and Marc Andreessen for introducing the IMG tag. What is at issue here is the introduction of the concept of the banner ad to advertisers and specifically persuading them to accept the idea of paying real money for banner ad impressions. It is very easy to discount the importance of this now but prior to the acceptance of the banner ad, there was no obvious way for web sites to generate revenue through advertising.Nolatime (talk) 19:39, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Nolatime

• Hotwired introduced the banner ad to the advertising industry and it was Boyce's job at Hotwired to handle that process. The book referenced establishes: the history of the banner ad, Hotwired's role it in, and the name of the individual who did the actual selling, a founding executive of the company, director of business development Rick Boyce. The banner ad was the first successful Internet advertising model. The IAB estimates Internet ad sales were $21 billion in 2007. http://www.iab.net/insights_research/iab_news_article/299656 In another book - available on the web - Rick Boyce is described thus: "Rick Boyce is widely acknowledged as the father of the banner ad." http://books.google.com/books?id=extn_UeicFoC&pg=PA344&lpg=PA344&dq=rick+boyce+IAB+1994&source=bl&ots=Mb6L7GUFHO&sig=FipQsA50Qd2mRk8JUU2TX9LsAa0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=4&ct=result Nolatime (talk) 19:55, 25 January 2009 (UTC) Nolatime

Delete Individual did NOT invent the banner ad. Article originator has deleted two prior PROD for this individual with no modification, improvement or verification of notability Jettparmer (talk) 13:58, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• There is no claim made anywhere in this article that the subject "invented the banner ad." The statement is "Boyce was responsible for organizing the first, widespread effort to sell banner ads" and this statement is supported by references in a book published by a major publisher. I respectfully request that Jettparmer (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) please cease posting obviously inaccurate statements to support his arguments. Nolatime (talk) 19:17, 25 January 2009 (UTC)Nolatime

• The quote you used indicates more importance than the reference indicates.

very early contribution to the development of the banner ad model

. The published work mentions his name four times. I would not classify that as significant. Information I have pointed out is factual and verifiable. Jettparmer (talk) 19:26, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

• good improvement with two new source additions!!! Jettparmer (talk) 20:24, 25 January 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.