Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Renee Hobbs

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Notwithstanding the need to pare it back. MBisanz ^talk 17:27, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Renee Hobbs

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I started editing this to source some of the claims (see my recent work--I've been attacking the list of articles without references).

However, this egregious puff-piece seems to go beyond stretching the truth--without even making any serious claims of notability. While it would be fine if it were left to other editors to fill in some of the references, here none of the possible hooks for notability are backed up.

A particularly troublesome part of the article is "she created 'KNOW TV' in collaboration with The Learning Channel (TLC), winning a Golden Cable ACE Award for the Discovery Channel in 1994." However, there is no evidence that either she or this project won the Golden Cable ACE Award. Please see http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/CableACE_Awards/1993, http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/CableACE_Awards/1994, http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/CableACE_Awards/1995-1, http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/CableACE_Awards/1996, and http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/CableACE_Awards/1997 (the Golden CableACE Award is at the bottom of each). This span of years should be sufficient to capture a 1994 production. I was unable to find an enumeration of the awards at the ncta.com website, but IMDb is considered reliable.However, the award was given solely to TLC, and the subject does not appear to have been granted the award.

I was unable to find any evidence that Tuning in to Media: Literacy for the Information Age received any Parent's Choice award. There is no data on awards at parents-choice.com for television awards prior to 1998, and there are no relevant hits for searches within the entire parents-choice website for either "Tuning in to Media" or "Literacy for the Information Age."

There is no suggestion of what award My Pop Studio may have garnered (nor is there a suggestion on the web site).

Please let's delete this immediately and if any verifiable claims of notability can be made, let's have them in a fresh article. Bongomatic 12:45, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• Keep It's unfortunate that Ms Hobbs found it necessary to create her own autobiography, which we all know is strongly discouraged. However, she does appear to be notable. Her bio on the Temple University website backs up the claims in this article (and one can hope, if not assume, that some department chair is vetting these bios before they are published). Also, a Google search on her name comes up with a fair number of hits associating her with the topic of Media Literacy. If her claims are found to be unverifiable, then the article should be edited to include claims that ARE notable, but I don't think it should be taken down. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 13:46, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Actually, it does not "back up" the claims, it just recapitulates them. Can you identify any one of those hits that gives rise to a presumption of notability? Bongomatic 14:23, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Living people-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:01, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 14:02, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
• Observation: Even if the outcome here is keep, the article is ridiculously distended relative to the subject's importance. If the outcome is keep, it should be shorn down to three paragraphs max (obviously no point in wasting time doing so now, since the outcome here may be delete). - Simon Dodd { U·T·C·WP:LAW } 15:03, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
• Keep though "ridiculously distended" it is. Maybe a graduate assistant was given an assignment here. However many the problems are with this article (and I added two more cn tags), the subject is indeed notable, as suggested by this Google News search--plenty of meat there to establish a three-paragraphs-at-the-most article. So Keep, and as soon as that AfD is removed, the removal of inflated and/or unverifiable claims. Drmies (talk) 22:12, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

Feb 2: I added citations for the [Cable Ace Award]http://www.imdb.com/Sections/Awards/CableACE_Awards/1995-2#Golden_CableACE, the award for [My Pop Studio]http://www.interactivemediaawards.com/winners/certificate.asp?param=43138&cat=1, and other historical evidence relevant to the claims.

• Comment The article is definitely a bit bloated with promotional content from primary sources. Perhaps a wp:coi report and communications with the author(s) would be the best approach. ChildofMidnight (talk) 09:44, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

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