Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Raids on Thrace (1025–1032)

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 09:01, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Raids on Thrace (1025–1032)[edit]

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Fails GNG and NEVENT. Sources in article and found in BEFORE are not WP:SIGCOV, addressing the subject directly and indepth.

Source eval:

Comments	Source
Fails SIGCOV, generally discusses events in the time from but nothing SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth	1. Metcalfe, Alex (2014-03-11). Muslims of Medieval Italy. Edinburgh University Press. ISBN 978-0-7486-8843-2.
Fails SIGCOV, generally discusses events in the time from but nothing SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth	2. ^ Barbera, Henry. The Military Factor in Social Change Vol. 2. Transaction Publishers. ISBN 978-1-4128-3781-1.
Fails SIGCOV, generally discusses events in the time from but nothing SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth	3. ^ Barbera, Henry (1994). Medieval Sicily: The First Absolute State. Legas. ISBN 978-1-881901-05-1.

Ping me if WP:THREE with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth about are found. No objection to a consensus redirect, but only properly sourced material should be merged.

// Timothy :: talk 03:38, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Events, History, Military, Europe, and Greece. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 05:31, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Not notable, plus POV problem. It's barely an identifiable event: it's just a passing mention of raids in some sources. I believe I looked into this particular topic previously when another editor tried to publish a draft about it that was repeatedly declined for publication for failing WP:GNG (I believe it was Draft:Zirid campaign in Illyria, now deleted). After trying to improve and expand it, I came to the same conclusion then too. One of many military history stubs out there that often seem to be created for the sake of having as many supposed "victories" as possible associated with a particular dynasty/state on Wikipedia. R Prazeres (talk) 05:59, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, i would like to adress this, I actually wasent aware of the deleted page Zirid campaign in Illyria i found a source about the zirids raiding crete and corfu, but then i did some more reasearch for it, and found more sources to prove the event happend, not only that, i dont understand why its been nominated for deletion cause it has been reviewed fine i dont see the problem in it.

ⵟⵓⵔⴽⵉⵙⵀⴽⴰⴱⵢⵍ (talk) 09:04, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. The article spins statements out of proportion to reality. There was a Byzantine attempt to invade Sicily in 1025, and subsequent raids against Byzantine territories, the last of which was in 1032, but that does not mean that between 1025 and 1032, there was a campaign of raids on Thrace, as the article implies. This is nonsense: Skylitzes e.g. mentions only a raid against the Cyclades under Constantine VIII, and then of "Saracens coasting off Illyricum [i.e., the Western Balkans] as far as Corfu" in 1032. That's about it. And having Constantine VIII's death mentioned in the infobox is also an implication that he died in the course or as a consequence of the campaign, which is double nonsense. These events are fairly isolated, and might be better treated in the context of a broader article on Byzantine attempts to reconquer Sicily or similar broader topics. Constantine ✍ 17:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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