Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palos Verdes Cross Country

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The result was merge to Palos Verdes High School. NW (Talk) 04:20, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Palos Verdes Cross Country[edit]

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Non-notable per WP:NSPORT, unreferenced, appears to be paste of an article from a school newspaper. MuffledThud (talk) 13:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Sports-related deletion discussions. —MuffledThud (talk) 13:48, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Delete A high school team, with no evidence of notability. Also it is mostly trivial information which have to be removed if the article were kept. JamesBWatson (talk) 14:37, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Speedy Delete – copyvio, a good portion of the text copied from [1]. ttonyb (talk) 14:57, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
~~Weak Keep~~ Keep - I've cleaned up the article (and thus hopefully removed all of the copyright content) and added a NY Times article about the team. If you look at Google News archives you'll see there are lots of articles about this team. I can't read them though (pay-per-view). But they seem notable! Article still needs a lot of work though. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 15:17, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The more I look at this the more I think it should be kept and at the very minimum merged. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 23:39, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - Assuming it isn't speedy deleted can we change the name to something vaguely sensible like Palos Verdes Cross County Team - I think this might help its case. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 15:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I understand the motivation to create this article; the students of Palos Verdes High School, being from extremely well-off families, and having the unpolluted ocean air and rolling hills of the Palos Verdes Peninsula to train in, win statewide track (and other sporting) championships with regularity. However, this information should be in the article on the high school. That article is not very long. Abductive (reasoning) 19:06, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure how the team being from well-off families means there's a motivation to create the article. (Although I would happily agree that there was a clear COI to the article before it was cleaned up) Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 23:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The motivation to create the article is that they win. The reasons that they win are their good health and their access to better coaches and training. Abductive (reasoning) 02:00, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Palos Verdes High School. Perhaps one of the most famous cross country teams of the past 50 years is York Community High School in Illinois, where the team is easily addressed within the high school article.--Milowent (talk) 20:22, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Palos Verdes High School per Milowent. JBsupreme (talk) 21:00, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, on condition that Panyd, or someone else, shows me two reliable sources in line with WP:N, ideally under this note! Chase me ladies, I'm the Cavalry (talk) 22:23, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

My first reference would obviously be the NY Times article as for a second reference I would point to a Google news archive search which turns up a lot of results, all of which appear to be non-trivial and discussing the team at length and none of which appear to be press releases. The trouble is that I cannot read the articles in their entirety as I haven't paid the necessary fee to access them. However, I think just because we can't read them doesn't mean we should discount them entirely. Especially as there is a multitude. Panyd^{The muffin is not subtle} 23:32, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

If this article was to stay, we should keep in mind that we'll potentially be facing huge numbers of articles for high school football teams. Many of the google news results appear to be articles about the team getting close to winning a title and such, e.g., from 1986, " The big news at Palos Verdes High School is that the boys' cross-country team is in contention to win the Southern Section 4-A championship." you can find such things about most any successful team.--Milowent (talk) 00:20, 5 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect even with sources, this is the ideal solution. Miami33139 (talk) 23:38, 4 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to the high school. Or possibly a subpage on its athletic programs. An article for each team is a bit much. ChildofMidnight (talk) 05:39, 6 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into Palos Verdes High School, as outlined above.--Pink Bull 01:24, 12 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.