Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Palestinian intifada (2022–present)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. There is essentially no support for the present title. Arguments to keep and move are undercut by the virtual absence of sources discussing this topic as a topic presented here, and so there is a consensus to delete. This does not preclude an article about this topic based on new sources, or on ones not discussed here. Vanamonde (Talk) 16:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Palestinian intifada (2022–present)[edit]

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This article is built upon an incredible amount of synthesis. The references DO NOT provide evidence for the existence of any current intifada. These references are mostly articles using it as a buzzword (for example, see the first Ynet citation). Using a word from here and there to support the existence of an event even though there is no consensus among sources that actually proves that event is occurring, is by definition WP:SYNTHESIS. Nythar (💬-❄️) 23:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Israel and Palestine. Nythar (💬-❄️) 23:32, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Military-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 23:35, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to 2022–2023 Israel–Palestine crisis or 2022–2023 wave of violence in Israeli–Palestinian conflict in accordance with the articles on previous notable escalations: 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis and 2015–2016 wave of violence in Israeli–Palestinian conflict. This round of escalation is notable but not commonly termed an intifada. The article also badly needs an expansion with additional sources. Lightspecs (talk) 00:25, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for now, or move the article per Lightspecs' reply. Totalstgamer (talk) 00:47, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to 2022–present wave of violence in Israeli–Palestinian conflict. Although there is some talk about a third intifada in some RS, it's all along the lines of 'a third intifada might be near'. The ⬡ Bestagon ^T/_C 08:54, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to 2022–2023 wave of violence in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in accordance with 2015–2016 wave of violence in the Israeli–Palestinian conflict, per Lightspecs. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:07, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - I'm not quite sure why some users here want to move the article. Violence has been taking place in that region for decades, and these random attacks and gunfights are not out of the ordinary. There has been continuous violence. There is no "wave". We could name this article 2022–present wave of violence in Israeli–Palestinian conflict, but what about the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis? That took place just a few months before this. It's quite obvious that there's no wave of violence. Before making the claim that this is out of the ordinary and that it's a "wave" (which is synthesis if unsourced), please prove all this. I'd like to see that 1-year period of 100% peace. Nythar (💬-❄️) 10:20, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
There's an article about it in Hebrew Wikipedia. Triggerhippie4 (talk) 10:37, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Sir, does this Hebrew article provide more details than the English one? It is very hard to judge otherwise whether this incident is notable on its own.

From what I am reading in the article, it is a somewhat regular pattern of violence in the region, which does not warrant a separate mention. We can't describe every instance that took place over the course of its history. And the article for "2022-present" wave doesn't exist, which would be equal to creating an article anew if this piece were to be moved there. My impression:
Delete as per @Nythar -- MitYehor (talk) 16:05, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete The Hebrew WP is about an Israeli military operation called Breakwater or Breaking the Wave, the Jerusalem Post reports arrests of Palestinians (every day) as being part of it (along with anything else that the IDF do). The flip side would be Palestinian violence, Lions Den, Jenin Brigades, attacks on the IDF/Israelis etcetera. This is jumping the gun, there is no Intifada yet, when there is, we will know about it, all there is atm is steadily increasing violence over recent times dating back to more or less (not exactly) the same time as the Wave Breaking business began and getting somewhat worse since the Israeli elections.Selfstudier (talk) 16:17, 27 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Clearly the article title is poor. But it seems clear that that this running sore is entering a new and even uglier phase, with (for example) some blowhard in Bibi's cabinet calling for the erasure of a Palestinian village, and, remarkably, criticism of israili action from the US government.TheLongTone (talk) 15:01, 2 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to 2022–2023 wave of violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. I've done a little literature overview, and found only one article, published two days ago which speaks generally on recent events. IMO it is a good summary (a very general one). There is a problem that there is only one such article, and the rest of the sources refer to specific events. Just like us, even the article itself fails to come up with a short description, let alone title for the events, calling it an "intensification of violence", "period of violence", "cycle of violence". The article states:

While the starting point is debatable, it began to escalate in March 2022. In a period of days, Israel was rocked by a series of deadly Palestinian attacks and the Israeli military launched an open-ended operation in the West Bank in response, resulting in near nightly raids into the occupied territories.

This could be supported, by another, quite outdated, Guardian article, which stated over 30 days ago:

Attempting to mark the beginning of a flare-up in a crisis that stretches back over generations is a near-impossible task. Still, current tensions have risen since last spring, when the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) launched Operation Breakwater – one of its most extensive campaigns outside wartime – after a surge in Palestinian knife and gun attacks.

Another article by NPR follows the same path:

A series of fatal attacks by Palestinians on Israelis last year prompted a sweeping Israeli military campaign dubbed Operation Breakwater, beginning March 31. Since then, nearly every day, Israel has conducted raids in the Israeli-occupied West Bank to arrest suspected militants and round up weapons. Nearly every week, Palestinians have been killed.

It would be a good idea to use that outline to plant further information. This is the only way I see such an article can really follow the basic policies of WP:NPOV, WP:SYNTH AND WP:VERIFY.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 13:42, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Comment, as the article was poorly sourced and based on WP:SYNTH, I took the liberty to remove all unsourced material and re-write the lead section based on the three sources above.--Bolter21 (talk to me) 14:54, 4 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Randykitty (talk) 08:24, 6 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. There have been some indications to this effect (mentioned above) but there is no wide agreement that a third intifada or a particularly increased level of hostilities is ongoing. There have been some incidents and these have been covered elsewhere. There is also an open-ended IDF operation that theoretically could receive its own article, however, this article is not particularly focused on it, so rename is not a good recommendation. As the title and the content are confusing delete is the best way forward. gidonb (talk) 03:27, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

For the record: the concern with a simple move is WP:POV, WP:SYNTH, WP:OR. As an encyclopedia we follow the media/academic consensus and do not lead it based on a few sources, relevant or not. gidonb (talk) 12:49, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Move to 2022–2023 wave of violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict. The rapid developments in the Palestinian territories suggest beyond any doubt that it is a stage of closely related events and not exceptional events here and there. The large number of victims is also strong evidence of this, and the emergence of a new group such as the Lions' Den.--Sakiv (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. per comments by Nythar and Gidonb. I see no content here that is properly sourced, just SYNTH and OR so I don't agree with just moving the problem to another name. If there is am 2022–2023 wave of violence in the Israeli Palestinian conflict, someone should write it without the baggage of this article. // Timothy :: talk 14:37, 13 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.