Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/P. W. Ellis

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The result was delete. Daniel (talk) 00:51, 12 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

P. W. Ellis[edit]

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Completely unsourced biography, of the "person who existed, the end" variety, of a person notable only as an unelected chair of government agencies. As always, this is not an automatic notability freebie just because the person existed -- to be notable for something like this, he would have to have a WP:GNG-worthy volume of reliable source coverage about his work in the roles, so as to enable us to write a substantive article that actually demonstrated his significance. But even on a search for contemporaneous media coverage from his own time, I can still only find glancing namechecks of his existence rather than any sources that were substantively about him to help establish his notability. Bearcat (talk) 15:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Ontario-related deletion discussions. Bearcat (talk) 15:51, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Doing a before I found this [1] which shows he may be notable, but it can't be used as it is a blog, and Annoyingly has no refs attached to where they got the info from. Davidstewartharvey (talk) 17:23, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete 15 years is too long to keep unsourced articles.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per nomination and Davidstewartharvey. I disagree with Johnpacklambert, as this is not a WP:BLP and so we can wait. Emir of Wikipedia (talk) 19:36, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
keep I found this source and this as well as NiagaraFalls Review article which mentions him, which I think clears notability and RS. The article may grow at some point, not all sources from this time are online. --hroest 22:38, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The City of Toronto isn't a media outlet, but one of Ellis' own former employers — so that link is a primary source self-published by a directly affiliated entity, not a notability-building piece of reliable source media coverage. The fact that the provincial archives happen to hold an archival fonds of his own personal papers is not a notability criterion, and the fact that they were his own personal papers means that digging into the fonds wouldn't net you any reliable or notability-making sources either. And we're looking for sources that have him as their subject, not sources that happen to briefly mention his name in the process of being about some random person finding a lawn bowling trophy in a shed 90 years after his death — so even if we deemed that source usable on the grounds that it contains a bit of information about Ellis' jewellery company, it wouldn't clinch passage of GNG all by itself if it was the only non-primary source in play, because Ellis isn't its subject. Bearcat (talk) 16:36, 10 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Unsourced. A ProQuest search in Canadian historical newspapers turned up nothing. // Timothy :: talk 12:43, 11 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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