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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete.  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:55, 7 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Omar J. Jones[edit]

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Article fails Notability - WP:Politician Subject has never held Statewide Office, as well as WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV - Press coverage is all local and trivial. WP:PROD removed without explanation. MilaPedia (talk) 08:06, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Politicians-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. Northamerica1000(talk) 13:40, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep Nine articles regarding Howard County Executives/Commissioners/Councilmen have been recommended for deletion based on not meeting only one of the three polices in WP:Politician by User:MilaPedia with an account created 9 August 2013.

A banner was posted using the “proposed deletion/dated format, with concern = Article fails Notability - WP:Politician Subject has never held Statewide Office”

WP:Politition states- 1. Politicians and judges who have held international, national or sub-national (statewide/provincewide) office, and members or former members of a national, state or provincial legislature. This also applies to those who have been elected to such offices but have not yet been sworn in. 2. Major local political figures who have received significant press coverage. 3. Just being an elected local official, or an unelected candidate for political office, does not guarantee notability, although such people can still be notable if they meet the primary notability criterion of "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject of the article". In the case of candidates for political office who do not meet this guideline, the general rule is to redirect to an appropriate page covering the election or political office sought in lieu of deletion. Relevant material from the biographical article can be merged into the election or political office page if appropriate.

The banner stated - If you can address this concern by improving, copyediting, sourcing, renaming or merging the page, please edit this page and do so. You may remove this message if you improve the article or otherwise object to deletion for any reason. Although not required, you are encouraged to explain why you object to the deletion, either in your edit summary or on the talk page. If this template is removed, do not replace it

Following the specific instructions, the concern was met by meeting section 3 of WP:POLITICIAN by additionally citing each article from a book, in addition to existing citations. The notation was marked in the summary, and the AFS tag removed as instructed. The following entry was posted on MilaPedia’s talk - Thank you MilaPedia for your efforts to make sure all new articles related specifically to Howard County Elected Officials are to be deleted. The articles are works in progress, however each has been significantly cited from a variety of sources which meet criteria #3 of WP Politician (listed below). Some of the articles recommended for deletion are politicians that have also sought higher office and are also notable for their influence in their respective fields. In addition, the guidance clearly states alternatives to AFD "deletion" as a first step. I hope you will direct your future efforts toward expanding and improving these articles with accurate information and relevant citations.

Recommendations were given in Lieu of deletion. Six of the same articles were recommended for deletion again August 14, 2013 with the following notation – "Article fails Notability - WP:Politician Subject has never held Statewide Office, as well as WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV - Press coverage is all local and trivial. WP:PROD removed without explanation." Each article is in progress, and has been well-cited by a variety of sources, and extra care has been taken to exclude the extensive amount of voting history and procedure that may be considered trivial or not independent of the subject. Although notability is subjective, each is relevant in the history of a rural county that became one of the 10 wealthiest counties in America during their terms and provides supporting information to historical articles. Notification was provided to the user, and noted in summaries. The AFD’s recommended are very specific with similar articles in the same categories not facing the same scrutiny, such as Janet S. Owens or Calvin Ball, III. FlugKerl (talk) 15:32, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Of note, *HO-404 Hagen House was considered historically notable by the State of Maryland, because its resident Omar J Jones was "notable" as author of the charter form of Government for Howard County.FlugKerl (talk) 00:47, 31 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Note Vote Posted Below to correct copy/pasted error - Fails notability. Apparently someone believes that being a county executive/board member qualifies people to have a page of their own. Lack of any references where the person is named as anything other then "candidate" or simply listed as holding said office. In fact for at least a couple the only articles about the person is their obituary. Caffeyw (talk) 16:21, 14 August 2013 (UTC) Caffeyw (talk) 00:15, 20 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
* This particular article uses one obituary reference with six additional non-obituary newspaper references. FlugKerl (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Replied. Now, everyone: stop copy-pasting your comments. Mysterious Whisper 12:53, 16 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Article fails notability. Any hits on Google are purely because their name is listed as being the office holder, or running for office. No hits otherwise to provide notability. Caffeyw (talk) 09:16, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Multiple voting in numerous AfDs is highly discouraged. I understand that you claim to be new to Wikipedia, but competence is required here. Guy1890 (talk) 22:19, 17 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
      • See posting on J Hubert Black above. It's not a multiple "vote" it's to clarify that fact for you and a few others that didn't like it being copy/pasted despite having the same issues, on subjects similarly situated. It was suggested that I post a clear message for each one to ensure any complaints about copy/pasting where overcome. I thus did as requested, however this seems to be evolving into a discussion on copy/paste. No one seems to be posting a comment on the actual issue, instead copy/paste has taken it's place. Caffeyw (talk) 03:54, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
        • "It's not a multiple 'vote'". Yes, it clearly is & that is really not allowed on here. You've made your opinions (whatever value will be assigned to them by an administrator when they close this AfD) abundantly clear...now move on & learn from these negative experiences. Once again, I have no opinion on whether this article should be deleted or not. Guy1890 (talk) 04:12, 18 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 01:05, 22 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, czar · · 03:06, 30 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete - Doesn't meet notability indicia - Caffeyw has a critical intelligence and is capable of analyzing material. What is wrong about their making a contribution of these skills? Why is this "odd"? How expert can one become on a minor local politician not mentioned in any independent biography?Tammytoons (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2013 (UTC) Tammytoons[reply]
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