Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nury Turkel

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The result was redirect to Uyghur American Association. So Why 15:21, 10 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Nury Turkel[edit]

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New article 29 August which was immediately turned into a redirect with the reasoning: "Press coverage is about the association not about him personally. Restoring redirect." Since this action was akin to a speedy deletion, and the article clearly does not warrant that, I submit it here neutrally. Geschichte (talk) 23:00, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect This was a long standing redirect which was turned into an article which I found while doing new page patrol. While looking into notability I found coverage of Turkel in RS but only briefly (failing significance) and mostly quoting him as part of his having been President of the Uyghur American Association. More in-depth coverage came from non-RS (e.g. his law firm). I followed standard procedure and restored the redirect. So that's what I would advocate here. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:04, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. CAPTAIN RAJU^(T) 23:40, 30 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment Notice the article Uyghur American Association was created by User:Nuryturkel = this individual? Timmyshin (talk) 06:09, 31 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Now Turkel is a notable Uyghur figure in the United States and among Uyghurs in the world. Now he serving as the Chairman of the Board for the Uyghur Human Rights Project, as mentioned Here, which is playing as important role in documenting human rights issues for Uyghurs in China. Recently he gaved speeches in events like this and interviewed by outlets including BBC HARDtalk here and France 24 here. Now he is not only an Uyghur attorney in the United States but also an Uyghur politician and activist, that’s why I gathered his information and put here in wikipedia. So it is Keep for me, thanks.--KH561 (talk) 17:22, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Uyghur American Association. KH561's sources make me feel a little more confident in that organization's notability, but not Turkel's. At a glance, everything he has publicly spoken on in this article and those sources was as a representative of the Uyghur American Association. Daask (talk) 20:11, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment As I flip through news articles, there's lots of passing mentions and commentary by Turkel on current events in ways that present him as a spokesman for his people. I tend to focus heavily on WP:GNG in deletion discussions, and I'm not seeing a source with good depth, but should note that this may well be the most prominent representative of the Uyghurs in the United States. Daask (talk) 20:22, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment my exploration of the topic came to that conclusion (most prominent US Uyghur) but there doesn't seem to be a major profile or other sourcing to use as the basis for an article on Turkel himself. Absent other sourcing, in the AfDs I've seen, being the most prominent X in/of Y has not been enough for notability. I do think the organization (for which he seems to be the most frequent/prominent spokesperson) is notable and thus my suggestion for a redirect. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 20:30, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment. Please note that as mentioned in the last sentence of this article here which written in 2012, we can know that he served as the president of Uyghur American Association before 2012. The web page of that association here show that Ilshat Hasan is the current president and Turkel’s name even not mentioned in the list, so I think he is nothing to do with the organization now. Meanwhile, I think he has a PH.D Degree in law so playing more important role in raising Uyghur issues in international stages and as User:Daask mentioned above he is the most prominent representative of the Uyghurs in the United States, I think in the United States only second to Rebiya Kadeer now. So I hope this article can be kept, thanks.--KH561 (talk) 21:25, 4 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@KH561: Thanks for pointing this out. In August 2018, Turkel was referred to as "UHRP’s Chairman of the Board"[1] The Uyghur Human Rights Project (UHRP) was formerly a project of the Uyghur American Association, but has been independent since 2016.[2] My mistake. A news search indicates that Uyghur Human Rights Project doesn't seem notable. Daask (talk) 10:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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