Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nurettin Sönmez

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The result was no consensus. Stifle (talk) 11:36, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Nurettin Sönmez[edit]

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The article does not meet WP:GNG or WP:BASIC. From WP:NPEOPLE: "For people, the person who is the topic of a biographical article should be "worthy of notice" or "note"—that is, "remarkable" or "significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded"". Source in the article and WP:BEFORE revealed no additional WP:RS containing material that meets WP:SIGCOV: ""Significant coverage" addresses the topic directly and in detail" that would contribute to demonstrating WP:N. Some WP:ROUTINE coverage exists about the shows they have been in. Their roles do not meet WP:NACTOR. // Timothy :: talk 20:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Actors and filmmakers-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 20:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. // Timothy :: talk 20:50, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Keep The last two roles that he has had are actually pretty notable, considering the fact that both of those series have been sold to countries in the Middle East, Africa and even Europe. Wikipedia:NACTOR also mentions significant cult following as a factor, and he has enough followers on social media to satisfy that requirement. Regarding the sources, Sözcü, Milliyet and Takvim are among the well known national newspapers in Turkey. The sources that have been cited are in fact short biographies of the actor, not mere articles about the series in which he has played in. Keivan.f^Talk 21:05, 14 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep As said by Keivan.f, his roles in the last two series (Diriliş and Kurtuluş), were pretty major. This has led to the existence of a lot of Turkish sources: [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6], [7], as well as some international: [8]. Keep in mind that these Turkish sources are only the ones from major publishers, many more exist from more minor publishers. ~Styyx ^{Talk? ^-^} 11:38, 15 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep the subject passes WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR. Abishe (talk) 01:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 04:56, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to: Styyx, I'll address each of the sources above:

[9] - This is a very brief biography of two short paragraphs, stating basic facts about his life. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[10] - This is a promo article for a movie. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[11] - This is a photo gallery with no details about the subject other than he was in Establishment Osman. This is a promotional article. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[12] - this is essentially the exact same article as the above photo gallery. This is a photo gallery with no details about the subject other than he was in Establishment Osman. This is a promotional article. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[13] - this is essentially the exact same article as the above photo gallery. This is a photo gallery with no details about the subject other than he was in Establishment Osman. This is a promotional article. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[14] - This article is not about the subject. It is about a fictional character Bamsı Bey played by the subject. This is a promotional article. It does not discuss the subject at all, let alone directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[15] - This is a one paragraph article that says the subject has a photo of his dad who passed away on Instagram. Nothing else. It's an article about the subject's tribute to his father. It does not discuss the subject at all, let alone directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.

I'm sure the subject is a wonderful person and a talented actor, but this is solely about Wikipedia guidelines. None of the above is anywhere near WP:SIGCOV for meeting WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. // Timothy :: talk 12:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to: Keivan.f, I'll address the sources you mention from the article:

[16] - As indicated above, This is a very brief biography of two short paragraphs, stating basic facts about his life. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[17] - this is about the TV series, not about the actor. It only mentions his name in the cast list.
[18] - This is a very brief biography of two short paragraphs, stating basic facts about his life. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[19] - This is a very brief biography of two short paragraphs, stating basic facts about his life. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.
[20] - As above, This is a photo gallery with no details about the subject other than he was in Establishment Osman. This is a promotional article. It does not discuss the subject directly and in depth as required by WP:GNG.

I'm sure the subject is a wonderful person and a talented actor, but this is solely about Wikipedia guidelines. None of the above is anywhere near WP:SIGCOV for meeting WP:GNG or WP:NACTOR. // Timothy :: talk 12:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply to: Abishe, give the above, what sources that have WP:SIGCOV per WP:GNG are you basing the subject meeting WP:GNG and WP:NACTOR? I'm sure the subject is a wonderful person and a talented actor, but this is solely about Wikipedia guidelines. // Timothy :: talk 12:08, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@TimothyBlue: Your concerns are totally understandable. That's why I decided to dig further deep into the sources and see what I can find. The first thing that I noticed is that he has a separate hashtag / column on the websites of national newspapers such as Hurriyet (1) and Milliyet (2), and short biographies of him have been published on their websites from time to time. Some of these newspapers and national networks have also published interviews with him, including this 3 with Ömür Gedik, this one on 4 on ATV, this one 5 on Milliyet and this one 6 on Aksam. Why would these newspapers and networks bother themselves to interview someone who is not notable after all? That's why I think he meets the criteria for a standalone article. Keivan.f^Talk 16:05, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Reply: I do think the closer should give weight to people that have a familiarity of the subject from living in the region; if they believe this is notable, that carries weight. If its kept (which I expect it will be), it will be after a rigorous discussion, and therefore unlikely to be challenged in the future, so this is good for the article. I can see an argument from WP:NPEOPLE based on the subject being, ""significant, interesting, or unusual enough to deserve attention or to be recorded" and from WP:BASIC, "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability". The coverage, even though it doesn't meet WP:SIGCOV does mean something. I definitely don't mean to bludgeon this. I actually hope the TV series becomes available in the States, it seems like a interesting series and the subject does seem like he is a talented actor. Best wishes, // Timothy :: talk 17:06, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Padavalam ► 14:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete, I don't see how we can keep after that source analysis showed there are no in-depth reliable sources. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 19:38, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Weak delete - he has supporting roles in Turkish TV series, but that's not enough. WP:NACTOR requires multiple significant roles. Absent that, the media coverage has to suggest that he's notable, which means in depth profiles, not just entertainment photos and info about the shows. I translated and read the Turkish articles, and I agree with the nom's assessment that they are limited benefit to show notability. There's almost no biographical coverage in them. The malicious link doesn't help - I marked it as dead. I think this is perhaps WP:TOOSOON - we'll have to see if other roles get additional coverage. TimTempleton ^(talk) ^(cont) 19:19, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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