Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Northeastern Pennsylvania

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The result was keep‎. – Joe (talk) 10:09, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Northeastern Pennsylvania[edit]

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Nonexistent region: WP:SYNTH/WP:OR, with no proper definition/delineation. No cited sources define NEPA, and sources available online disagree, and are typically tourism advertisements. The sources present only discuss a population spike (retrieved 2014) and three local organizations. See Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/South Central Pennsylvania for similar case/context. Proposed Deletion or redirect to Pocono Mountains.
Before proposing a redirect to Regions of Pennsylvania I request that you observe that that article is entirely synthesized. GabberFlasted (talk) 11:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Pennsylvania. GabberFlasted (talk) 11:52, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep I found many more sources about this region as a whole than for South Central, though I'm sort of rethinking that one now. I'd note that just because there's not an "official", standardized definition of the region doesn't mean it's "nonexistent" or not notable (see Midwestern United States, etc). This is also a larger area than the Poconos – the Discover NEPA tourism organization maps it as the Endless Mountains and Valley (Wyoming Valley/Coal Region) in addition to the Poconos. Some sources include "Northeastern Pa. struggled to recruit and retain skilled employees long before COVID-19",Northeastern Pennsylvania Alliance,Housing, Population and Land Use for Northeastern Pennsylvania,Anthracite's Demise and the Post-Coal Economy of Northeastern Pennsylvania and lots more books and news sources. The article could be reworked not to just summarize what's located there, but I see there's definitely recognition as a region with history beyond a compass direction. Reywas92^Talk 14:13, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
(Totally rewriting a reply so excuse any leaps in logic as I forget what I deleted.) Midwestern United States has the distinction of being a census region, which is a very important and well defined metric. Regardless you've swayed me a bit, and I see now that it could be possible to rewrite this from a list of counties and businesses/things within them into a historical-sociological description of a more vague region referencing geographical/cultural points. But I maintain that this can only work if we can identify a through-line or (hesitate to use the word) narrative that would make an article actually cohesive and educational/explanatory. If its a cultural pocket, or was heavily defined by geography and weather incidental to such, or if some event affected this specific region differently than its surroundings, anything to distinguish it. I'd like to see what others think but for now any theoretical closer can discount my !vote as nom GabberFlasted (talk) 15:35, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per User:Reywas92 rationale and sources. —Ost (talk) 15:33, 11 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Arbitrarily0 ^(talk) 14:48, 17 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft Agree with nom, OR/SYNTH. None of the sources support article subject so this is essentially an unsourced article and is not suitable to stay in mainspace. If this is a notable subject (Reywas92 refs show it may be, but none actually define the subject, [1] or define it significantly different from the article [2],[3], [4]), drafting will provide time to find references with a properly sourced definition of Northeastern Pennsylvania that meets NGEO or GNG. // Timothy :: talk 09:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.