Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ninth grade

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep‎. Barkeep49 (talk) 15:06, 16 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ninth grade[edit]

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Proposing deletion as none of the tags have been fixed in 2/5/8 years; not just that, WP:TNT may even be an option. A WP:BEFORE search returned some sources, but no evaluation of anything to make it seem a worthwhile topic. Even so, the page as it stands would certainly not pass WP:AFC and thus I see deletion as a sufficient option. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 15:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Education and Schools. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 15:43, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Much of it is unsourced, I don't see how this isn't already covered in the equivalent high school education articles for each country. Oaktree b (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment - I don't know much about the education systems of these countries but I imagine that some sort of sourcing must exist in their native languages. I'll tag the relevant nations to see if editors that patrol those countries' AfDs can add relevant sourcing to hopefully rescue this one. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:53, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Afghanistan, Hong Kong, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Australia, Canada, Argentina, and Brazil. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:54, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Malaysia, Pakistan, Philippines, Singapore, Kuwait, Ireland, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Scotland, Wales, New Zealand, and Mexico. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 16:55, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 01:26, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
New Zealand links and a reference added - NealeWellington (talk) 09:20, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Personally I'm not sure I understand the WP:DEL-REASON behind the nom. Is it WP:DEL#6 (neologisms and OR?) or WP:DEL#7 (thorough search for sources failed)? If so, can the nom expand a bit? (Certainly I don't see how it can be for any of the other DEL-REASONs?) In terms of WP:TNT, I don't really understand that argument either. Surely at least some of the content is redeemable? Beyond that, to my mind, the topic/concept of Ninth grade (even if just constrained to countries that have such a grade that is so-named - like the US, Canada, Philippines, etc) has some notability and is surely referenceable to the extent that content could be kept. Normally WP:TNT is limited to cases involving copyright violation, advocacy, promo, SPAM, PAID, SOCKing, etc. Otherwise deletion is typically not a step towards cleanup. And, if TNT is to be applied, why limit to to the this article in the (apparent) series? Guliolopez (talk) 14:23, 8 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: why just ninth grade in particular, and not each of the other articles we have on first through twelfth grade? I feel like content issues applying to one grade would likely apply to the others as their scopes are very similar, and any improvements, rewrites, restructuring, or any major changes made to this article should also affect the rest of the series. ~ KN2731 {talk · contribs} 09:25, 9 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Sources can just be imported from articles about the education systems of each respective country, and the article can be restructure without deleting the whole article. Tutwakhamoe (talk) 05:42, 13 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep with caveats. There do seem to be reliable sources discussing ninth grade (I have added some into the article) and I think it's worthwhile to have a standalone article, albeit that it needs a lot of tidy-up to address the current tags. I also think the article shouldn't include countries like New Zealand or the UK where the expression 'ninth grade' isn't used; it seems very US-centric to assume that 'ninth grade' is the default, and Year 10 already exists and could be added as a 'see also'. Cheers, Chocmilk03 (talk) 05:33, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.