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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Consensus is clear among the policy-based views, with the one dissenter admitting that sourcing is weak. Owen× ☎ 00:08, 28 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

New Hope Church[edit]

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Per WP:GNG and WP:ORG. Unable to locate any coverage in reliable sources except for the three sources cited in the article, and of those, two sources are local newspapers, and one source is a church magazine. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:31, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

comment This is an extremely common church name and would need to be disambiguated even if there doesn't happen to be an article on any other such church in WP. Mangoe (talk) 18:07, 20 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • (with regret) Delete -- I see noting in this to distinguish it from many run of the mill local churches. A magazine classified it as (relatively) fast growing one year, but I doubt that is enough to make it notable. I would love to keep articles on all local churches, but we do not. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:44, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    "Run of the mill local church" - The average size of an American church is 200 people, so if a church seventy-five times larger than an actual "run of the mill local church" still falls under that categorization, then, respectfully, I think your math is not mathing.
    This church is 75 times larger than the average church and is a major cultural hub for the community surrounding it. Nathantx (talk) 03:08, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak keep as the Houston Chronicle is a regional rather than local newspaper with the third largest Sunday circulation in the US. The magazine is an evangelical organization publication. More sources are needed so it's a weak keep, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 20:10, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    This is the correct option, as Wikipedia itself states that things don't need to be perfect when they're published. This is a cooperative space and things continue to grow. There is enough of a case to keep the page, as the information is reliable and if someone is looking for this information, they can find it.
    There is not any amount of "harm" in keeping this article, but only potential for net positive gain. The freedom of information and information access is valid in both the large and small strokes; just because someone else does not care to have this information, this does not mean there is no audience for this information. Even then, information access is not about audience, but the virtue of knowledge itself.
    This page for 'New Hope Church (Manvel, Texas) deserves to stay and be added to over time as I run across more articles, or anybody else has things to contribute. Nathantx (talk) 03:05, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Please list WP:THREE (and no more) sources that pass WP:SIRS. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:44, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as the article has been written and improved according to the suggestions above. This is my first article, and I have been targeted by some really nasty editors, sadly. In keeping with "do not bite the newcomers," I would have hoped for some more helpful dialog rather than running me through the wringer over this. I am open to helpful dialog to make this article the best it can become, as this is my first article and it has already been nuked to oblivion by other editors. Nathantx (talk) 15:10, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep as the sources used are reputable and there is a precedent to keep. More sources can be added, in addition to those already in place. — Preceding unsigned comment added by OzyXCV (talk • contribs) 23:17, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete: Fails WP:GNG and WP:NORG. None of the references pass WP:SIRS. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:43, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete or Merge to Manvel, Texas per WP:ATD. I don't see a reason why it can't have a mention on the article of the city its based in, and could easily be condensed to 2 paragraphs (minus the growth "recognition" section, which is questionably sourced). If there is no appetite to merge, then I'd be concurring with UtherSRG's concerns and leaning delete. I am unconvinced there are sufficient independent significant references to assert notability for a stand-alone article. Bungle (talk • contribs) 10:30, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Per nom, fails GNG and NORG. Sources in the article and found in BEFORE are mill news, event promo, nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. If there are WP:THREE soruces with WP:SIGCOV posted, ping me.  // Timothy :: talk  19:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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