Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Netcha

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The result was redirect to Inuit clothing. Tone 18:32, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Netcha[edit]

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~~Apparent WP:V fail and,~~ at least at present, a clear WP:NOTDICT fail. According to the source cited in the article—not even a sentence in a dictionary of clothing terms—it's a type of sealskin coat. But I cannot find any other sources to establish that this is a known term. Bringing this single-sentence substub here because I think it's possible I've missed something, perhaps under an alternate name or spelling. The one source cited also seems borderline on reliability to me. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 22:33, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, hi AleatoryPonderings, did you do a gsearch? entering "Netcha inuit" brings up plenty of hits ie. "Marie Peary Stafford's Journal" - 5 mentions, a 1913 letter to uni of illinois (page 1. "The eskimo women are excellent seamstresses and are making our fur clothes ... and netchas, sealskin outher shirts.", from A Dictionary of Costume and Fashion: Historic and Modern (2013): "netcha (netch a). Coat made of seal-skin, as worn by Eskimos" - note this was originally published in 1999 and is held by over 250 libraries, from The Complete Costume Dictionary - "netcha: United States of America. Eskimo sealskin coat." - (pub 2011 - held by around 1300 libraries), The Language of Fashion - Dictionary and Digest of Fabric, Sewing and Dress (2013): "netcha. coat made of sealskin, as worn by Eskimos." - note this was originally published in 1957 - held by over 600 libraries, from Laughter of the Sphinx (1900) - "Excerpt: ...at Livingston. She went all over him, praising his hands and his hair and his eyes; and she wanted him to take off his netcha, so that she could get his shoulders.", so it is definitely verifiable, as Sealskin is so small/lacking in info, no probs with having info on the netcha there. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:24, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Coolabahapple: I did search, but evidently not hard enough. I generally use DuckDuckGo which might not have been good for this particular purpose? Thanks for finding those documents. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 15:27, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

no probs, thanks for prompt response. Coolabahapple (talk) 15:31, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment May I recommend instead a redirect to Inuit clothing, which I just mainspaced earlier tonight? The problem with this article (and temiak and kooletah, which I've already redirected) is that they are dictionary definitions of individual names of individual garments, which are better covered in the context of the whole Inuit clothing system. They're also outdated English transliterations of Inuit words, so they really shouldn't be used for article titles anyway. A "kooletah" is properly known as a qulittaq, for example. I have no idea what the real Inuit word for "netcha" is - nothing like it is mentioned in Sinews of Survival, which is one of the definitive works on the topic, and I can't find any similar words in online Inuit dictionaries. The best I can figure is that it's related to natsiq (ringed seal) or natsivak (hooded seal), and "kak" is a phoneme related to coats, so maybe it's a mangled version of something like that? Anyway, all that is a very long-winded way of saying it's better off redirected. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 13:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Premeditated Chaos: I (almost!) wholeheartedly endorse this suggestion. I was thinking the same thing—that this garment is probably more properly known under a different, less antiquated, English transliteration. The lone source in this article was first published in 1957, and I would note that a number of the sources Coolabahapple mentioned above, although they do use the term, are quite old; I'd be reluctant to base an article on sources that still refer to "Eskimo" clothing, for instance. The reason why I'm not super enthusiastic about simply redirecting this is that, per your comment, it's quite unclear what the correct name for this garment is. But redirects are cheap and if a redirect could send someone to your new article, that seems like an excellent outcome. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 14:32, 27 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Inuit clothing: per above // Timothy :: talk 23:16, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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