Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nauru national soccer team (3rd nomination)

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to Soccer in Nauru#Representative teams. Some calls to just delete, but this outcome seems to do the least harm, there is consensus that there is some degree of coverage but not enough to justify a standalone article. Plus, given almost every other nation hasa similar article it is a perfectly plausible search term Fenix down (talk) 15:00, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nauru national soccer team[edit]

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Previously deleted at AfD. Recreated, but deemed ineligible for speedy deletion due to the addition of further references. The two new references simply reinforce the fact that the team doesn't exist, isn't likely to exist, and isn't recognised by the relevant sport governing bodies. It was a redirect for several years and the relevant history is covered at Soccer in Nauru. Lithopsian (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Football-related deletion discussions. Lithopsian (talk) 17:29, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Oceania-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:39, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related deletions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 17:41, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - The team may not exist now and it may be unlikely to exist in the future, but it did exist at one point. The team played a game against the Solomon Islands in 1994, which is enough for me. – Pee Jay 17:43, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to Soccer in Nauru and mention the one match they played (!) there. Does not merit a separate article. Giant Snowman 18:05, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete and again create a redirect. The previous (2nd) AfD examines the sources that were in the article at that time (2017) and shows that they do not establish that an official team has ever existed: the one match was played by a "representative" (unofficial) team. I implemented the suggested solution by creating a redirect at the title, to [[Soccer in Nauru#Representative teams]]. I see that that paragraph now includes one of the two pieces of information from after that AfD that are present in the newly expanded article: "Nauru express disappointment at non-appearance as Micronesian Games open". Inside The Games. 15 July 2018. Retrieved 16 October 2018. (should give the author as Dan Palmer). This source merely mentions football as one of the sports to be included in the Games; nowhere does it indicate what sports Nauru had hoped to field athletes in, so in my estimation it did not merit citing. The other is: "Nauru: Fake website could be catalyst for soccer re-birth". ABC Radio Australia. 2020-07-23. Retrieved 2021-10-28. (should note author Richard Ewart and programme, Pacific Beat). As indicated by the title, this says consideration is being given to creating a national side, but recaps that none has ever existed. As such, although there is new information from the second new source, the expansion from a redirect was nonetheless premature. WP:CRYSTAL applies. I therefore advocate doing the same as last time: deleting the article and creating a redirect at the title, which can be expanded if and when an official national team is formed and plays a match. However, there is now an alternative redirect target: Nauru Soccer Federation, created by Gri3720 on 30 July 2021 and mentioned in the ABC source. In the team article this is piped to show as Nauru Australian Soccer Association and abbreviated NASA: this appears to be because of the emblem, which is taken from a website that lists it as the Nauru Amateur Soccer Association; creation of that and redirection to it was the other suggestion in the second AfD. That emblem was uploaded to Commons (I think it may violate their terms as a complex image with no evidence of permission) by Sambamtime, who expanded the redirect to an article, from this not very official-looking website, but "Australian Soccer" in the piped link seems in any case to have no basis in usage. Ola Bjerkevoll (14 August 2020). "This is the real state of soccer in Nauru". Football in Oceania. Retrieved 2 November 2021. (cited incompletely at Nauru Soccer Federation) also refers to a Nauru Soccer Federation, but there is little information available. I think it would be better to redirect Nauru Soccer Federation to Soccer in Nauru as an unnecessary fork (without deletion) and again use the Soccer in Nauru#Representative teams target for this title. Yngvadottir (talk) 22:30, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete for the reasons listed above. Also, my research has not lead me to any mention of NASA other than the dubious, or at least misinformed, sources already listed. The best and most recent source we have which includes information from the current Vice President does not refer to it as NASA. I, of course, do not prefer to merge Nauru Soccer Federation and Soccer in Nauru--Gri3720 (talk) 23:45, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Maybe it's best to delete the article as there's only been loose knowledge about the existence of the team and the federation. Additionaly, Nauru doesn't have any official football association website or Facebook page (like Marshall Islands) to show that there is football activity going on there. Lastly, even with various articles stating the creation of a national team/federation, it is still yet to happen and most importantly, be announced. I (re)created the article causing this whole mess, so I heavily suggest reverting the page back into a redirect to Soccer in Nauru. (Lithopsian, PeeJay, GiantSnowman, Yngvadottir, Gri3720). Sambam/TIME 23:51, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I certainly agree that the team article should be deleted but it is possible for the federation to exist and be notable without the national team achieving the same notability.--Gri3720 (talk) 23:54, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, this is the national team of a sovereign nation, and has played an official FIFA game before. Kind of crazy that it would even be considered to be deleted.--Ortizesp (talk) 14:38, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: After examining the sources, they indicate that the soccer federation does not consider this a senior international team (yet). The one game from 1994, per one of the two sources on the article for the game, was a game between workers of different nationalities and is not recognized. As such, this national team has not played a game and fails WP:GNG. GauchoDude (talk) 18:00, 4 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Soccer_in_Nauru#Representative_teams. There's good reasons at this AFD for not having a standalone article, but there's no reason why it shouldn't be mentioned at the parent article about soccer in the country as an alternative to deletion. ---- Patar knight - ^chat/_{contributions} 01:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to Soccer in Nauru] - the article is OK, could pass GNG - but the team hasn't actually played a game. The info in the article is pretty good so just merge to Soccer in Nauru. Paul Vaurie (talk) 03:20, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Nauru Soccer Federation which already has information about this planned international team. Also - link in article is to Nauru AUSTRALIAN Soccer Association. - is that correct? Nfitz (talk) 06:12, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Merge and redirect to Soccer in Nauru#Representative teams. This team has played once in 1994 and never again- no evidence of definitive future fixtures either. If/when they've played a substantial number of matches i.e. not just a couple more, then it could be worthy creating a separate article. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:56, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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