Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mina Başaran

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash;. Sufficient consensus DGG ( talk ) 06:26, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Mina Başaran[edit]

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Per WP:NOTINHERITED. Her death is tragic but there isn't anything in this article denoting Basaran as a notable person. ...William, is the complaint department really on the roof? 19:42, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

She has been on the Turkish Vogue ( https://vogue.com.tr/bugun-ne-giydim/mina-basaran/2 ) , her father has been the deputy chairman of Trabzonspor (a big Football club) and one of the richest business people in Turkey, Mina's name is given to Mina Towers (a huge residence project http://www.basaraninsaat.net/mina-towers/ ) and she was going to be the next president for her fathers empire. ( https://www.thenational.ae/uae/who-was-mina-basaran-the-turkish-bride-whose-sharjah-istanbul-plane-crashed-1.712324 ) --2001:16B8:468:2400:95E7:7165:7D60:E8B5 (talk) 20:46, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

— 2001:16B8:468:2400:95E7:7165:7D60:E8B5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. WWGB (talk) 10:16, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But nothing in your statement proves notability because notability is WP:NOTINHERITED. LaundryPizza03 (talk) 21:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash; this is WP:BIO1E. power~enwiki (π, ν) 21:09, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash per nom, but indeed tragic at that young age. Brandmeister^talk 21:23, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or at least redirect. Later, people will wonder, who was this person? Wakari07 (talk) 22:01, 12 March 2018 (UTC) Also noting here that the same OP user *coincidentally* a few hours earlier started Bombardier crash AfD mess with a simple 889-byte post. Both for the same pretext. Wakari07 (talk) 00:03, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She was in the board of directors in one of the biggest companies in Turkey and a public sweetheart. 2001:16B8:468:2400:95E7:7165:7D60:E8B5 (talk) 22:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

— 2001:16B8:468:2400:95E7:7165:7D60:E8B5 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. WWGB (talk) 23:18, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash. The subject has insufficient notability, clear case of WP:NOTINHERITED. WWGB (talk) 23:21, 12 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash, (if the latter is kept as it itself is going through its own AFD, although I'd be just as fine if the latter was redirected to this article). Doesn't seem to be enough independent coverage aside from her sad death to warrant an independent article. Inter&anthro (talk) 00:01, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash or Delete if that article is deleted. Notability is not automatically inherited. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 03:45, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Merge to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash not notable in her own right 50.111.31.53 (talk) 04:24, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 06:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Women-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 06:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Turkey-related deletion discussions. MT Train^Talk 06:56, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Keep There are numerous reliable independent resources which cover the subject significantly. Ali Pirhayati (talk) 10:06, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep There's enough information out there too make keeping this make sense. Bbonds775 (talk) 15:12, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Obviously notable. --Nanorsuaq (talk) 16:32, 13 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Keep She was known before the tragic accident and not just because of her father. This is like suggesting that we delete Paris Hilton. 2001:16B8:1191:EC00:B8AC:7904:2FD4:FE25 (talk) 08:34, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

— 2001:16B8:1191:EC00:B8AC:7904:2FD4:FE25 (talk) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. WWGB (talk) 10:28, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Comment It's worth noting that the Turkish Wikipedia does not have separate articles about her or her father, though it does have an article about the crash. tr:2018_Bombardier_Challenger_604_kazası. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 14:15, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

She and her father and the plane are linked through the company, tr:Başaran Grup or Holdings, from Trabzon Province. Wakari07 (talk) 17:22, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that even on the Turkish wiki, they were not deemed notable enough to merit standalone biographical pages. The father's name is only mentioned there in the "key people" section of the infobox, and that creation of articles like this on English Wikipedia is a classic example of Wikipedia:Recentism. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:29, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Turkey blocks Wikipedia. I'm accessing it over a German proxy like many others. Mina Başaran has been growing in popularity exponentially in the last few months. The huge residence in her name made her appear all over the media and there were also a lot of fashion and travel articles from/including her. https://blog.wikimedia.org/2018/03/11/turkey-wikipedia-block/ https://vogue.com.tr/bugun-ne-giydim/mina-basaran I personally find it kind of absurd to even keep digging this but of course, people who aren't living in Turkey wouldn't be able to empathize. I don't want to be seen as spamming here and I've written all I can say already so, I'll just shut up now and wait for the decision :) Thanks for your understanding, people! 2001:16B8:1191:EC00:C925:6AA1:6E4E:CD04 (talk) 18:46, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect – Without the crash I doubt she would have been considered notable enough for an article (that's the case even on the Turkish WP), and I very much doubt the article could be expanded much beyond the current two paragraphs (one of which is about her death). --Deeday-UK (talk) 11:58, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Using "even" in relation to the Turkish Wikipedia shows you should re-read the IP's comment. It's rather the role of the English WP to support the Turkish WP, rather than the other way around. As far as I know, the 2017 block of Wikipedia in Turkey is still ongoing in 2018... I'm afraid that supporting WP:DELETIONISM is a political choice here. Besides, what's wrong with a small article? Wakari07 (talk) 18:07, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My point still stands: without the crash, arguably no-one would have thought about writing an article; and a biography with seemingly little potential to grow from stub-level raises serious questions on the notability of the subject. This article is screaming for a merge. --Deeday-UK (talk) 18:37, 15 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

keep - two days ago I would not even had considering !voting here, but now her achievements has been included. So now I am actually leaning towards Keeping this article. The person has recieved worldwide media coverage. Article is sourced with good reliable third party sources. She had a noted board member status, and was a known columnist. Whether she would have had an article if not for this crash is irrelevant. I would have to say that if this article would have been created if there were no crash no one would have put it up for deletion. And not even half of the people taking part in this AfD would have taken part. This also covers WP:BIO.BabbaQ (talk) 18:29, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

No, being a board member and having a column on a magazine does not necessarily confer notability. This case is very similar to Kim Wall's, another otherwise non-notable author that tragically becomes notable because of her untimely and unusual death, and just like Wall and per WP:1E, it makes sense to merge this article into the event's one. --Deeday-UK (talk) 01:33, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to or merge with 2018 Iran Bombardier Challenger 604 crash. Just like everyone else I'm really sorry that her life was cut short, but the truth is that she probably wouldn't have an article on Wikipedia had she stayed alive as she was not notable enough. After a few months how many people will visit this article? Not so many I guess. Keivan.f^Talk 22:20, 17 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect - Keep voters have not demonstrated how this coverage--dependent on the plane crash--is not a pure example of WP:BLP1E. All we mostly have here is a condensed version of her death, or, in other words, a smaller version of an article that already exists. It is tragic, but we are not here to build a memorial.TheGracefulSlick (talk) 14:36, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Delete – Not notable. 208.96.169.26 (talk) 19:12, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Redirect to 2018 Bombardier Challenger 604 crash per WP:NOTINHERITED.--Catlemur (talk) 22:30, 18 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.