Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Meiniach

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Stifle (talk) 11:38, 11 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Meiniach[edit]

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A phrase without any sources, and rather obscure. Perhaps with the term Choizer can be incorporated into another article about Chabad, but both articles are too niche and lack sources to be notable enough for their own page (I have also nominated Choizer for deletion) Playlet (talk) 02:49, 18 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Judaism-related deletion discussions. AleatoryPonderings (talk) 05:06, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete per WP:GNG and nom. I don't think it's even necessary to print a list of these terms; they could be translated wherever they appear in the Chabad articles. Yoninah (talk) 11:08, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: This page has been on Wikipedia unchallenged for 13 years and has an equivalent page in Italian. Like many early pages on Wikipedia, sources are sorely lacking - that should be corrected but isn't grounds to delete the page. I am not familiar with this term but according to the Chabad wiki page there are roughly 90,000 Chabad Hassidim, so a respected position in their movement should be considered notable. @Yoninah: this isn't just a term it's the title of position - similar to Shaliach (Chabad).--Steamboat2020 (talk) 23:48, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- @Steamboat2020: But this isn't the Chabadapedia. We have a wiktionary for those who think it's important to define every religious term out there. Shaliach, meanwhile, is referred to all over world media, so it's easy to see why that meets WP:GNG. If you could show us why this subject is notable by expanding the page with RS, it would help this AFD. Yoninah (talk) 23:55, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - @Yoninah: I already said that I am not familiar with this term but I am still reluctant to delete a 13 year old established page about a leadership position associated with a 90,000 person movement due to a lack of sources.--Steamboat2020 (talk) 00:54, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Steamboat2020: I hear you, but you shouldn't put too much stock in pages that were created 13 years ago and still look like this. Back in the early days, editors posted anything, including copyvios, just to put up pages. I fought through two AFDs and lost to someone who insisted on posting a Haredi journalist whose notability cannot be established; his response was, "Leave it. No one else cares about this." Thankfully we have editors who are now prowling the 'pedia to dig out articles that never satisfied our criteria. Yoninah (talk) 11:17, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Steamboat2020: As I said above, I do not object to the information being on Wikipedia on another page, but it lacks sources and WP:GNG to have its own page. A bad article is still a bad article even after 13 years.Playlet (talk) 15:44, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Yoninah (& @Playlet):I hear you as well, the thing is that when a page is challenged right away, it gives the creator of the page a chance to defend and improve it. When somebody challenges it 13 years later, odds are the person who created it is no longer active on Wikipedia. In general, I get the feeling that you don't have any personal knowledge on this matter and neither do I. Our knowledge on the subject is limited to internet search results, which when it comes to Orthodox Jewish topics isn't necessarily a valid indicator on notability. Especially, since the position was essentially abolished in 1994 when the last Lubavicher Rebbe died. Let's assume that this was a notable position in Chabbad- Lubavich since it was founded in 1775. There may have have been hundreds of Meiniachs between 1775 and 1994. So I am reluctant to endorse deleting something possibly very historical just because I don't know enough about it.--Steamboat2020 (talk) 16:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Steamboat2020: I am aware of Chabad and of these positions. Many of the members of the sect would not be aware of these positions. The fact that the author of the article is no longer an active editor is hardly a reason to keep the article for all eternity. If it does not meet notability guidelines the time frame of deletion is irrelevant.Playlet (talk) 00:02, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Playlet: If you have first hand knowledge that many members of Chabad aren’t even aware of this position then I withdraw my vote to keep this page--Steamboat2020 (talk) 01:10, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, T. Canens (talk) 01:12, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Aaqib Anjum Aafī (^talk) 14:18, 31 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete: Doesn't meet notability for a stand alone article. There should be an article for Hanochos and this function and history could be incorporated into it along with Choizer // Timothy :: talk 15:23, 9 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete I cannot find that this term is notable. If there is a WP:ATD-M we could redirect or merge to Rabbi. Note: merge or redirect only if an editor can show that the word is notable with RS. Wm335td (talk) 20:05, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.