Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mayfield West, Ontario

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The result was keep‎. Sources raised helped consensus (non-admin closure) TLA (talk) 21:32, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mayfield West, Ontario[edit]

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Article about an unincorporated community, not properly referenced as passing WP:GEOLAND. As always, unincorporated neighbourhoods or communities within larger municipalities are not "inherently" notable enough for their own standalone articles as separate topics from their parent municipality -- it depends on the depth of reliable GNG-worthy sourcing about the community that can be shown to demonstrate that it has standalone notability as a separate topic, and a community that can't be shown to meet the necessary standard of sourcing just gets a redirect to the parent place.
But except for just one article in a local-interest magazine, which isn't enough coverage to meet GNG all by itself, this is otherwise referenced entirely to primary sources that aren't support for notability at all, like maps and content self-published by the municipal government. In addition, it warrants note that this was created at the incorrect title "Mayfield West, Canada", in defiance of MOS:CANNEIGH, in an attempt to bypass the fact that the correct title already existed as a redirect to Caledon.
So the appropriate remedy here is to delete this, and restore the original redirect to Caledon, Ontario, because this isn't the kind of sourcing that it takes to get an unincorporated community over GEOLAND. Bearcat (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Geography and Canada. Bearcat (talk) 22:59, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Mayfield. A small Village in the Townships of Chinguacousy, County Peel, 7 miles from Brampton, the County Town, and 27 from Toronto.
Archdekin, F., hotel keeper
Archdekin, P., farmer
[…]
— McEvoy, Henry (1869). The Province of Ontario Gazetteer and Directory. Toronto: Robertson & Cook., p.304
It's a shame to see a 19th century village being obscured by a 1974 housing development that nicked its name and tacked "West" onto the end. And no mention of this in Caledon, Ontario#History.
Uncle G (talk) 06:51, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Shame or not, we need GNG-worthy sourcing before we can maintain an article about it. Bearcat (talk) 14:02, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Let's see you make that argument at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ravipalli. ☺ Uncle G (talk) 15:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - Mayfield would be a formerly populated place if we can prove it, meaning we just need WP:V to maintain the article. I'm getting lots of ancient hits that people were from there. Mayfield West though should be merged back into Caledon. SportingFlyer T·C 10:54, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    - Well I can definitely name nine people that lived there. ☺ As well as the 138 votes cast from Mayfield in an election in December 1892, although that was for a Peel County position and belongs in an election results table in Peel County, Ontario if anywhere.
      And I didn't mention Caledon, Ontario#History idly. This article's first source is all about that, but ironically not used in that article at all. Because a Wikipedia editor has decided to write up the town's history in an article about a "service centre", a totally obscure place to put it. More irony: the first source is indeed false sourcing for this article, because it doesn't actually talk about any "rural service centre" at all.
      Uncle G (talk) 15:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
      - This isn't Mayfield (near Mayfield Road and Dixie). This is Mayfield West - a relatively modern suburb about 2 km further west (and north), which is more related to Snelgrove, Ontario than Mayfield. Nfitz (talk) 01:15, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
        We all know what tacking "West" on the end meant, Nfitz. Uncle G (talk) 09:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with Uncle G, using my genealogy tricks, I don't think much was ever written about the place. If you went there and got into the courthouse, or if better newspaper coverage was available it might be doable. But we'd be talking about moving this to Mayfield ontario, and writing about that. The place this article is actually about is non notable.James.folsom (talk) 23:13, 25 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I'm not having problems find plenty of coverage about Mayfield West - see this search. I'll leave question of notability to others. Nfitz (talk) 01:20, 30 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- That would be a handful of mentions, all primary, all saying it's a community or housing development. All stuff Uncle G, already pointed out. James.folsom (talk) 23:59, 6 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Owen× ☎ 00:09, 1 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This is a substantial and growing new suburban area that even has a new urbanism component (retail on Kennedy Rd.). It does need improvement though, such as changing the community type from "Rural Service Centre" to "Neighbourhood", clarifying where it exactly is. Transportfan70 (talk) 14:35, 3 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Neighbourhoods within larger municipalities are not "inherently" notable just because they exist, or even just because they're purportedly growing — they have to be shown as the subject of enough reliable source coverage to pass WP:GNG, in order to earn anything more than a redirect to the parent entity. So what sources do you have to offer that would get this place over GNG? Bearcat (talk) 15:19, 4 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  - I'm happy to look at those sources too. James.folsom (talk) 00:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  There are tons of articles on neighborhoods in the GTA actually, and this one is notable as a rather unusual urbanized area (that's growing rapidly) in the context of the predominately rural municipality of Caledon. PS: Is Valleywood part of it? Transportfan70 (talk) 02:05, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
- Or put another way: If you cannot prove to the world that any of what you asserted is documented, published, and true, your argument doesn't hold any water at all. Uncle G (talk) 09:55, 8 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  I started work improving the article and provided references Transportfan70 (talk) 03:55, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Given a rather recent claimant of sourcing, this is to provide opportunity to produce the same
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Xymmax ^{So let it be written} _{So let it be done} 04:11, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Mayfield West appears to be a relatively new development, but there appears to be at least close to enough GNG-related coverage to get us there. [1]. SportingFlyer T·C 13:02, 9 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep im gonna lose my mind if all of this gets deleted — Preceding unsigned comment added by Danielg532 (talk • contribs) 00:39, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Meets GNG per above sources. ~EDDY ^{(talk/contribs)}~ 02:53, 11 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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