Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Masta Wu

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Let's get this done: the nominator has changed to "keep", as has everyone else but me--he passes BAND#2, but none of the others, as far as I can tell. However, there is no reason to let this going for longer since it's headed for a keep. Drmies (talk) 01:34, 27 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Masta Wu[edit]

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Incomprehensible biography of a musician who does not meet WP:MUSIC or WP:GNG. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 21:22, 24 April 2015 (UTC) *It's an autobiography with no sources, only external links, about a person who fails WP:MUSIC, WP:BIO and WP:GNG. Delete. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:30, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I can't even believe we're having to have this discussion. Delete. We can leave a redirect to that band, but the underlying content should be deleted and burned. Drmies (talk) 21:34, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- UPDATE: article is now restored to the Teemeah-approved version. WikiDan61, Rpclod, and Joseph2302, please have another look. As for me, I am not changing my mind since I see no reliable sourcing, not enough for this to pass the GNG--one hit does not cut it for me. Drmies (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Drmies: one hit? He has two full albums released under a major publisher in Korea. Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself. -yes; which source in the article is not relaibale or independent?; Has had a single or album on any country's national music chart. - yes (number 8 on Gaon Chart. His 2007 single was 43rd on national chart [1]. I cannot trace the 2003 album back because archive.org doesn't have those pages archived from MIAK (the predecessor of Gaon)); Has released two or more albums on a major record label -yes. Has been placed in rotation nationally by a major radio or music television network - yes (multiple live performances on nationwide channels and not just now but in previous years too). That's from WP:MUSIC. It's not like we are talking about an amateur underground wannabe star here. This is an established artist in a non-English speaking country. Not every artist is a chart-topper but to my knowledge that's not a requirement for notability. The fact he was on hiatus from 2008 to 2014 also doesn't mean he is not notable anymore (just that his previous work is only tracable in Korean language sources, as hallyu picked up when he went on hiatus). If this is not enough for notability, I've no idea who is regarded notable by enwiki... Again, I feel that if it is a non-English speaking country, people regard artists as non-notable off the bat. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 21:16, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Korea-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 21:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Random86 (talk) 21:55, 24 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

~~Delete~~ - does not appear to meet WP:ENTERTAINER criteria.--Rpclod (talk) 00:23, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Same as Drmies, even after the change to a different version, I maintain the same recommendation. The references are as follows:

1. MTV. Empty.

2. KBS. Artist listing.

3. MWAVE. Only peripherally mentioned.

4. MWAVE. Only peripherally mentioned.

5. MTVK. Only peripherally mentioned.

6. Gaon Chart. In Korean, but may be a 404 error?

7. Gaon Chart. In Korean, but may be a 404 error?

I see nothing here that suggests WP:ENTERTAINER notability.--Rpclod (talk) 21:41, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Rpclod: Please check the article now. I added additonal sources from Korean papers, and please also see the comment above. He released two full albums with a major label in Korea and was on national chart at least twice. More than enough for notability per WP:MUSIC Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 22:09, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I also put archive.org links for the Gaon charts. You can now see positions and sales. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 22:19, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Teemeah, you are persistent if not persuasive. On the one hand, a notable performer should have more criticism, negative as well as positive, than is referenced for the subject. As I cannot read Korean, I cannot verify that the subject's album was on the primary Korean music chart, but I will take your word for it and withdraw my prior "delete" recommendation.--Rpclod (talk) 03:04, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment @Drmies: Since the band page (YMGA (band)) has been speedily deleted and its other incarnation (YMGA) is only a redirect, we have nothing left to redirect to. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 02:31, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
- Oh. Well, now that's just sad, as my daughter would say. Others might say that judicious pruning makes a CSD tag more valid. So, WikiDan61--how about you try to save Calligraphist (artist), as your good deed for the day? Drmies (talk) 02:38, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Please restore the article to the state I edited: [2] I cleaned this article up and added reliable sources, after that editor Mastawu222 restored the old version of auto-translated text from Korean wikipedia: ko:마스터 우. He is pretty notable. Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 18:17, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

and on a sidenote, I can't believe people here didn't check the history page before commenting... Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 18:18, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure what happened to the mTV link I included as a source, it is blank now. Google cache still has the version I used. [3] Teemeah ^{편지 (letter)} 18:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Keep This version of the article seems okay, they seem notable enough now. I apologise for not checking article history more carefully. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:24, 25 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Weak keep As nominator, I see that the older version restored from history has some marginal notability. The Gaon Download Chart appears to be a reliable source of information about chart position for South Korea, and Woo's role as "producer" (really, "panelist" is probably a better title) on Season 3 of Show Me the Money probably counts toward WP:GNG. The sourcing in the current version of the article is really thin, though. There are probably better sources available in Korean, but I can't really perform Korean language searches to find out. WikiDan61^ChatMe!_ReadMe!! 15:01, 26 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.