Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marrabenta Stories

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. No arguments for deletion aside from the nominator. The issue of merging can be discussed on the article's talk page. Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:24, 17 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marrabenta Stories[edit]

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non notable film, failing WP:NFILM prod removed by creator, one of several films all from the same festival created by this same editor. Most nominated (excepting those winning several awards given then benefit of the doubt) Gaijin42 (talk) 17:11, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Covered in multiple sources. also screened at the Durban International Film Festival which is notable..♦ Dr. Blofeld 20:31, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Of those, the only RS or notability granting source I consider is the lonely planet book. However, that source does not refer to the movie at all, but merely the style of music. I appreciate the hard work blofeld is putting in trying to improve the articles and find sources, but I think mere listing in multiple African movie databases is not going to cut it. Gaijin42 (talk) 20:42, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

If the following criteria can be met, I would acquiesce, "The film was given a commercial re-release, or screened in a festival, at least five years after initial release." Do you have any sourcing and dates for the festival? Gaijin42 (talk) 20:43, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hang on, I'll just check my pockets, might have a handful of dates and sources at the bottom.♦ Dr. Blofeld 22:16, 9 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Without conceding that this should be the applicable standard, here's evidence that this film (whose Portuguese name is Marrabentando) was screened at "Giornate Mozambicane a Venezia" in Venice in 2009 (5 years after its first release).Italian[1] Google translate[2] --Arxiloxos (talk) 05:39, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
The "other criteria" section of WP:NFILM places no conditions on what kind of festival it needs to be, 5 years after the fact. But the lack of any reliable sources, despite my best efforts to find some, causes me to believe that a merge of relevant content to the stub parent article Marrabenta is the best course, for both articles. Shawn in Montreal (talk) 03:20, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Africa-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:17, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Portugal-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Film-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 15:18, 10 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep per nominator's concession that a festival screening 5 years after original being an indicator of notability per WP:NF. User:Arxiloxos provided just that... just as does it screening again six years after original screening... at the AFRICAesCINE in 2010. This shows us we would be wise to look further for non-English sources for this Portugese-language non-Western film screened in Mozambique and Portugal. In expanding my own search, I found coverage about its 2010 screening in EuropaSur We do have ongoing difficulties in Wikipedia's coverage of non-English, and more specifically African cinema, and when we have verifiability of subsequent screenings, we might reasonably not expect the same coverage for a small budget, independent documentary as we might for some big budget studio film produced domestically. Just sayin. Schmidt, ^{MICHAEL Q.} 05:06, 11 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and allow time for more non-English sources to add to what already is leaning strongly toward notability. First Light (talk) 20:20, 13 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.