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The result was delete. Martijn Hoekstra (talk) 09:24, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Marc Edelman[edit]

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Despite fan assertions to the contrary, this person does not appear to be notable. Claim to fame resides primarily in an ESPN opinion piece, and I do not believe this to be enough to satisfy the GNG, nor do I see any reason to believe that PROF is met. Drmies (talk) 03:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete – I tagged for notability earlier and spent some time looking for reliable sources. I didn't find things that would contribute to establishing notability. As far as I can tell, this subject fails WP:GNG and is very, very far from passing WP:PROFESSOR. JFHJr (㊟) 04:18, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment he has 7000 hits on Google Books and 800 on Google Scholar. PROF 1 or 7 might pass. Cusop Dingle (talk) 07:42, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete -- there are at least two Marc Edelmans who are academics, and if one is not careful one gets searches that suggest an incorrect result. A GS search that includes "sports" suggests an h-index of 6 -- well below what would count for WP:PROF. I don't see sufficient evidence of notability elsewhere to get him past any relevant standard. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:01, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
A very good reason not to make hay of g-hits. Thanks Nomo. JFHJr (㊟) 16:09, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Academics and educators-related deletion discussions. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 10:03, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. A list of his publications is not particularly relevant unless reliable sources have commented on them. Almost every law professor writes a lot of articles. The list of articles that have cited him on his website is more relevant to this discussion, but it's not particularly impressive. Some of the secondary sources are not the best, and many are commenting on the same thing, one particular case. If he were really a notable legal commentator, he would be cited far more often. See, for example, Laurie Levenson.--Bbb23 (talk) 19:58, 29 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • The more of these links I see, the more I am wondering about the goal of this article (PR) and the identity of the editor(s) involved. Drmies (talk) 02:38, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that there appears to be a concerted effort to promote him. However, as unseemly as that may be, it isn't directly relevant to the decision we make here.--Bbb23 (talk) 04:48, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cynicism, like humor, has its place. To all our health. JFHJr (㊟) 04:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
(laughing) I have a fair amount of both. Sometimes I can't tell which is which.--Bbb23 (talk) 05:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. In addition to the above promotional aspects, the page was created by a SPA account. There is a Mark (with a "k") Edelman, who has published in the peer-reviewed law literature, but this person is in private practice and is clearly not the same person as our subject. Marc's CV also lists lots of publications, but almost all seem to be "student journals", e.g. UND Review, Pace Law Review, Wayne Law Review, etc. These are not mainstream, indexed journals, so this publication list will be a bit misleading. This is basically a promotion page for an assistant professor. Agricola44 (talk) 16:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Yes, there are losers like me on the web that have nothing better to do than "promote" one of my professors on Wikipedia. It's not something I am proud of, but it is what it is. Law school can be very boring at times. Anyway, here are some more links that show other schools(where he does not teach) referencing him and citing to him. Don't know if something like this breaks some other policy or not.

http://www.ufsportslaw.com/edelman.html http://asusportslaw.wordpress.com/tag/marc-edelman/

And here are a bunch of symposiums and speeches he has done:

Lectures & Symposia:

Symposium Moderator: "The Long-Term Effect of Concussions and Potential Legal Liability," New York State Bar Association’s Fifteenth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (April 1, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "The Changing Face of Intercollegiate Athletics," Harvard Law School Sports Law Symposium (March 25, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Compliance in the World of Sports," DePaul Law School Sports Law Symposium (March 4, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Labor Concerns in Sports and Entertainment," Seton Hall Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Symposium (February 15, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Implications of the Supreme Court’s Ruling in American Needle," Villanova Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Symposium (January 29, 2011).

Symposium Panelist: "Current Issues in Sports Law," New York Law School Sports Law Symposium (November 12, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Antitrust Issues Stemming from the Phoenix Coyotes Bankruptcy Petition," Seton Hall University School of Law Sports & Entertainment Symposium (April 13, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "The Likely Impact on Sports Leagues of American Needle v. Nat’l Football League," New York State Bar Association’s Fourteenth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (March 26, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "The Perfect Storm: Collective Bargaining in Major Sports 2011," Widener Law Sports and Entertainment Law Symposium (February 24, 2010).

Keynote Speaker: "Alternative Dispute Resolution in Real and Fantasy Sports," Pace Law School Alternative Dispute Resolution Society Event (February 2, 2010).

Symposium Panelist: "Bargaining Collectively," (Discussing the Baseball, Basketball and Football Collective Bargaining Agreements), University of Florida Sports Law Symposium (January 29, 2010).

Featured Speaker: "Can the NFL Permanently Suspend Michael Vick?," Presentation to the NYU Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Society (April 20, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "Gambling in Sports: The Final Line between Fantasy Sports and Illegal Activity," New York State Bar Association’s Thirteenth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (April 17, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "The Problem with Age Limits in Professional Sports Leagues," New York Law School Media, Entertainment & Sports Law Symposium (March 25, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "The Ethics of Building New Sports Stadiums during the Recession," Harvard Law School Sports Law Symposium (March 13, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "Labor Issues in Professional Sports," University of Florida Sports Law Symposium (January 23, 2009).

Symposium Panelist: "Commissioner Suspensions and Antitrust Law," Seton Hall University School of Law Sports & Entertainment Symposium (November 7, 2008).

Featured Speaker: "Current Issues and Career Opportunities in Sports Law," Michigan Law School Sports Law Society Lunch (October 2, 2008).

Symposium Panelist: "The House that Taxpayers Built: Exploring the Rise in Publicly Funded Baseball Stadiums from 1953 through the Present," Villanova Law School Sports & Entertainment Law Journal Symposium (October 25, 2008).

Symposium Panelist: "NCAA Law & Ethics," New York State Bar Association’s Twelfth Annual Symposium on Current Legal Issues in Sports Law at Fordham Law School (April 11, 2008).

Featured Speaker: "Athletes’ Names & Stats: Intellectual Property or Fantasy," New York State Bar Association (June 26, 2008). SportsLawJunky (talk) 16:56, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm sure we all appreciate your enthusiasm for your professor. Unfortunately, all the information you just listed does not count toward notability. Participating in symposiums and such is the normal day-to-day fodder that academics such as Mr Edelman do. What would be helpful for your case is if you can find anything in the WP:PROF specification that Mr. Edelman satisfies. I could not, but you may know something we don't! Best wishes, Agricola44 (talk) 18:02, 30 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

His publications have been cited by three Supreme Court briefs in the case American Needle v. National Football League. Does that satisfy #7? SportsLawJunky (talk) 18:30, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 18:36, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Clearly not the most famous on Wikipedia. But with respect to [WP:PROF] he has seven easily identifiable media quotations on "sports law" in seven different national newspapers (Washington Post, Washington Times, ESPN, Arizona Republic, Seattle Post-Intelligencer, Seattle Times and USA Today). Perhaps [WP:PROF] needs an update to account for the ease with which professors on certain topics can get media attention. However, this entry--with some substantial updates to citations--seems to comply with the letter of the requirement.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/12/AR2011031205812.html http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jan/13/justices-to-tackle-nfl-antitrust-case/ http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=munson_lester&id=4336261 http://www.azcentral.com/business/articles/2009/05/08/20090508biz-coyotes0509.html http://www.seattlepi.com/default/article/Schultz-sticks-with-Sonics-suit-1278694.php http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2010532525_apusmoralityclausesqa.html http://www.usatoday.com/money/industries/2011-02-06-cnbc-stadium_N.htm — Preceding unsigned comment added by Winterparker1 (talk • contribs) 22:08, 30 January 2012 (UTC) — Winterparker1 (talk • contribs) has made few or no other edits outside this topic. Striking based on outcome of SPI investigation.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:53, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Being quoted is not what counts. (For which I am eternally grateful -- if it were otherwise, I might have to worry about there being an article on me.) To help support notability, you would need sources that are primarily about him. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 22:14, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

This is cray. I can think of so many less interesting people who have Wikipedia pages(ie: half of Hollywood). This guy is the real deal, despite not meeting any of the "requirements." What if he becomes Professor of the Year? THEN could he have a Wikipedia page?SportsLawJunky (talk) 22:46, 30 January 2012 (UTC) ~*~*~*~[reply]

  • Again, the requirements are in WP:PROF. They're very well established, not likely to be changed in the near future, and somewhat difficult to satisfy. This is precisely why junior academics, such as Mr Edelman, rarely qualify. To answer your specific question: no, "professor of the year" would not likely qualify either. As a general word of advice, the use of one or more WP:SPA accounts, for better or worse, usually hurts the subject's case. Best wishes, Agricola44 (talk) 00:13, 31 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]

Ok well there IS a website that talks about HIM. It's right here: http://njjewishnews.com/njjn.com/021909/sptRutgersProf.html SportsLawJunky (talk) 00:28, 31 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. I've been on the fence on this one for a while. It's one of those articles where everything about it feels wrong, but if you try to divorce yourself from the way it was written, why it was written, who wrote it, etc., Edelman might be sufficiently notable to pass muster. However, based on the comments by others, I've decided that at this point, he does not have enough recognition as a legal expert to justify an article.--Bbb23 (talk) 15:03, 4 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
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