Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Many Horses

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The result was delete. czar 18:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Many Horses[edit]

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Fails WP:BASIC and WP:ANYBIO. Unable to locate any significant biographical details in secondary sources. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:35, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete I gave up looking for suources as the name is too generic, but a quick search threw up none, and its (in reality) unsourced right now. With just one book not cited in any way, so its impossible to verify. Even then its one source.Slatersteven (talk) 14:47, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Literally no WP:RS cited. Could be a hoax for all we know. —Brigade Piron (talk) 17:30, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not even a demonstration of existence, and though I'm inclined to believe he was real, all he apparently did was speak to a crowd. Since when did that make someone notable (this is where sources need to be provided)? -Indy beetle (talk) 06:31, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not seeing SIGCOV in multiple RS to satisfy WP:GNG. Mztourist (talk) 07:50, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
His famous quote is found in Google book results, as well as native American websites. Can't find anything else about him. Dream Focus 13:09, 27 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Not seeing significant biographical details in secondary sources Spudlace (talk) 00:24, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Possible source

Grinnell, George Bird (1895). The Story of the Indian. D. Appleton. pp. 236–245. Not sure that it is one and the same person. Timing seems right. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 16:10, 26 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

That book says that "the chief Many Horses was killed in the great battle of the Cypress Hills in the autumn of 1867," on pg 237. The person described in this article organized a ghost dance in the spring of 1890. — Toughpigs (talk) 18:49, 28 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - As much as it pains me because he sounds like an interesting person, there were no real sources of notability provided. I hope someone can find good sourcing and will rewrite this article in the future. It does not meet WP:GNG in its current form. Tsistunagiska (talk) 18:05, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment The book cited was published (or at least republished) through Ohio University Press. I have put it on hold at my local library. I hope to have it by the end of the week or early next week. I ask that the closing admin please extend the AfD until such time as I can view the source and see if there are hints for where else I may find information on this individual. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 21:59, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Consensus so far is pretty clearly to delete, but User:DiamondRemley39 has requested a little bit of additional time to get a book to find additional sources. As such, I'm relisting this to give them an additional week to do so.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jackmcbarn (talk) 18:34, 3 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete I had a quick look at the source quoted - there is a copy of it on google books, though its only in preview mode. he seems to be mentioned only briefly, and nothing to substantiate him as a notable figure. This article needs more RS. Deathlibrarian (talk) 09:41, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Deathlibrarian , I have that book and yes, the section on him is short. I am checking out the book's source today and will post an update. There is a WP:HEY factor, though it may not be enough. Stay tuned, all. DiamondRemley39 (talk) 12:55, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Update on the research: Thanks for the patience in relisting. Now we know our subject enough to, I think, make an informed decision.

We know that quote was legitimate, said by Many Horses AKA Rising Wolf, and that it was published first in an article by Hamlin Garland. The quote is quite a few places on the internet; it seems to have been picked up from the book that listed it as a source but its original source not referenced. We can all see how this is problematic, can't we?

I don't see that there is enough here (in terms of notability, information, etc.) for the subject to have an article. However, in the interest of WP:PRESERVE and Wikipedia stepping up and making this quote and individual more verifiable, I suggest the information/sourcing metadata be incorporated into the article on the Ghost Dance and to Wikiquote. Yet I have never used Wikiquote; perhaps another user such as Toughpigs can say whether this is doable and a good move. Thanks, all! DiamondRemley39 (talk) 14:10, 6 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: Difficult to research. Others with similar names. Example Emil Her Many Horses is likely notable. Yet another different person, simply Her Many Horses, and also this source, "Emil Her Many Horses (Oglala Lakota) is a member of the Oglala Lakota tribe and an accomplished beadwork artist, winner of the 2001 Best of Show category for his tribute to the Lakota Sioux Vietnam Veterans at the Northern Plains Tribal ". from source, Conversations with Remarkable Native Americans - Page 23. Joelle Rostkowski · 2012. So, could be a few different Wikipedia articles about different people, all more recent, all notable, with names ending in "Many Horses"... Right cite (talk) 15:22, 9 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Zing^(Talk!) 03:18, 10 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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