Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ludmila Foblová

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The result was delete. Davewild (talk) 20:39, 9 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Ludmila Foblová[edit]

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Non-notable individual lacking GHIts and GNEWS of substance. Appears to fail WP:BIO and WP:CREATIVE. ttonyb (talk) 16:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Young artist/architect doesn't quite satisfy WP:GNG or WP:ARTIST at this time. SnottyWong ^speak 18:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Comment. I don't notice any evidence for a claim that she's an architect. -- Hoary (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - Vanity page, inadequate documentation of notability. TheMindsEye (talk) 21:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- Question. How is this a "vanity page"? (My own impression is that it's no more and no less a "vanity page" than Jiří Růžek is.) -- Hoary (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Comment. Both "WP:CREATIVE" and "WP:ARTIST" are invoked above. They're two names for the same thing. If this (not these) were rigorously applied, a very large number of biographies that are clearly not vanity -- the biographee is long dead, and was obviously not known to the biographer(s) -- would have to be deleted. Unless, that is, the weasel word significant were interpreted maganimously. Has Foblová's work "won significant critical attention"? Well, it's written up. (Inconveniently for me, in a language I happen not to be able to read.) Are the write-ups "significant"? I suspect that they tend to be if you like her work and they tend not to be if you don't. Her work doesn't interest me but I hope and try to be fair; perhaps somebody whose ability in Czech is sufficient not only to babelfish just what is said but to gauge the significance of its being said where it's said can contribute here. -- Hoary (talk) 02:22, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Photography-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Czech Republic-related deletion discussions. —Hoary (talk) 02:28, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Most of the sources I found refer to her participation in the contest of the magazine Reflex (Akty X is a competiton for their readers - amateur photographers). I'm quite familiar with the Czech photography as an "art genre". I don't think this person is a notable photographer in the Czech Rep. and I don't think she meets the notability criteria here on Wikipedia. The sources are either trivial or not independent. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 05:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC) Btw, thanks for delsort, Hoary. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 05:33, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
Well then, delete, and my thanks to Vejvančický for the explanation. -- Hoary (talk) 07:47, 3 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]
well, if she doesnt meet the notability criteria, then delete, but my opinion is that any 15 or 20 years sportsman winning any championship is ok, but artist not. The L'Esprit Photo was a contest with thousands authors from the whole world, so its winner --for me-- is very similar to any sports championship winners. My opinion is that in next months someone else will write the same article... btw Akty X contest included "also" amateurs, not only, as Vejvančický says, there have been also professionals or semi-professionals, like Lukas Dvorak, Jan Hronsky, Jiri Ruzek, Boris Guljajev, Ivan Mladenov, Martin Iman and many others ... Croniquelle (talk) 09:36, 4 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It seems that the winner was Tom Ford, Foblová received 1st prize (high range DSLR camera with lens) for the photo called "Dishwasher" (btw, with the same work she has won one of the categories of Akty X.[1] L'Esprit Photo is a competiton focused on "portraits and nude photographs of women" ... "encouraging a developing public interest in Polish art photography".[2] I can't upload their official website and review the importance of this contest, however, I stay with my comment (mentioned above). I don't think this person is particularly notable in the context of the Czech (or world) art photography. The sources are trivial, basically we can say that she is marginally known for creating one good photo: "Dishwasher". It isn't enough. Just my opinion. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 07:39, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

FYI (excuse me, your information is again shallow and not correct, and we are not here to judge if someone's work is good or bad, just the sources and these are clear for me), I see this: L'esprit Photo - 1st place - Foblova, CZ (for Dishwasher), 2nd place - Cotae, Romania, 3rd place - Pak, Russia and Grand Prix - Ford, USA. Other authors from China, Singapur, Australia etc... [3]. Akty X - 3rd place with Mora 218 (not Dishwasher, as you say, I see two different photos probably from the same series), the Editor-In-Chief Award with Teeth Whitening.[4]. As I have said before - delete, if doesnt meet notability criteria, keep, if you agree with me that the sources are the same value as any long jump medal winner, who --I think-- is the same marginally known, but is still the winner Croniquelle (talk) 10:23, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Oops, I apologize, the photos - or at least the theme - ("Dishwasher" and "Mora 218") are almost identical, you can compare here. As for the sources presented here or in the article, they contain only passing mentions about the subject. I'm not sure with the significance of the mentioned photo competitions, there's plenty of similar contests all over the world. Reflex gives a lot of publicity to the Akty X competition, but there isn't any coverage outside of the magazine. I don't consider their information as independent, and moreover, the info on individual awarded photographers is not substantial, Foblová is barely mentioned as one of the awarded. The same applies for L'Esprit Photo. The comparison with a long jump medal winner is a bit misleading: I would compare Foblová to a long jump medal winner in obscure tournaments. Of course, my opinion is subjective and I have no intention to destroy your hard work. I just don't think Foblová meets the notability criteria for photographers. --Vejvančický (talk | contribs) 11:43, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

ok, I think I've said everything before... according to other names competiting in these contests I dont think they are any obscure tournaments. What does determine the importance of any contest if not the quality and the names of its competitors? But ok, let's say it is too soon. The article shouldn't be any advertisement, just an information and even if she started very quickly and many other people could envy so fast and big success, I say that she, as the same as those guys described above, belong to the most significant persons of the new wave of Czech nude photography (there is not only Saudek and Vano) and at least half of them already is or will be an important part of Czech culture. Croniquelle (talk) 14:21, 5 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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