Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Neha Kakkar

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was keep. Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 13:57, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

List of songs recorded by Neha Kakkar[edit]

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Part of a large collection of complete discographies of various Indian pop stars.

Per WP:NLIST, coverage as a set by independent sources is required. On its own, this falls afoul of WP:NOTDIRECTORY.

Historically, nominations of this sort of article have attracted keep votes premised on "but what about this other similar non-notable list of songs from this other artist". This argument runs into WP:WHATABOUTX, but if anyone links any I will happily nominate them for deletion. BrigadierG (talk) 21:45, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 21:54, 6 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People, Music, and India. -MPGuy2824 (talk) 07:17, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete From a quick look at the references and search hits, I am unable to locate any source that discusses the aggregate work and thus I cannot see how an article about the topic can be free of WP:OR. Hemantha (talk) 18:05, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maharashtra-related deletion discussions. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 20:31, 7 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:INDISCRIMINATE; a textbook example of a "summary-only descriptions of works." which like other similar articles does not appear to have proper sources to meet WP:V. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 13:29, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep a legitimate list of songs recorded by a singer; more sources are needed but this doesn't undermine its notability. WP:INDISCRIMINATE is irrelevant here, and if it was, it would mean that no list of songs and films by a an artist could ever merit a WP article (and no, this isn't WP:WHATABOUTX but a general note about the extent of inclusion on WP). And I see that directory has a clear definition which just doesn't apply for this page. Shahid • ^Talk2me 08:52, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Individual editors deciding that widely followed policy is "irrelevant" are of course very much in the wrong, since one cannot simply decide that some generally accepted policy or guideline does not apply. Those interested in a thorough rebuttal of the above, including a rebuke of the hyperbolic claim that if INDISCRIMINATE is relevant "no list of songs and films by a an artist could ever merit a WP article" (with a similar example), will want a look at this. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 14:48, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep: Coming here from WP:ICTF, Discography of a notable artist. Such articles are split following WP:CFORK, when they grow too large. Dont use WP:BURO to delete articles that people look for. If you dont want a separate page, it will have to be merged. There is no question of deletion. Venkat TL (talk) 14:10, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per previously discussed AFD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Udit Narayan. No change since then in policies and deletion guidelines that may suggest in deletion of this article. §§Dharmadhyaksha§§ {Talk / Edits} 11:39, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Keep. Discographies/recordings of notable musicians are encyclopedic as they are routinely published in academic reference works on musicians. The nominator's rationale that a discography is somehow excluded from encyclopedic coverage under policy at WP:NOTDIRECTORY is flawed. We include a list of novels written by novelists, a list of works by composers, a filmography of actors etc. A discography is a record of the creative output of musicians in the same way that a list of works is a record of the creative output by composers. Further, it's a reasonable content fork of the main article. This was a badly argued deletion rationale, with a potentially negative impact on wikipedia's coverage of creative professionals across the encyclopedia. 4meter4 (talk) 16:54, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@4meter4 indeed. You have put into words everything I was thinking. In addition I came to know from a related AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bengali songs recorded by Shreya Ghoshal that some damage has already been effected by couple of poorly attended AfDs last week. Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bengali songs recorded by Runa Laila; Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs recorded by Armaan Malik Venkat TL (talk) 19:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL@4meter4: I asked the closing admin of the Armaan Malik list to reconsider her stand and the AfD is restored now and open for another discussion. Shahid • ^Talk2me 22:03, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I know of no other topic where we accept statistics-databases or their encyclopedic-coverage-free-and-source-free equivalents, even if the subject they cover might be notable independently of the statistics. RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 11:27, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Note another related ongoing AfD of notable Indian singers Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Hindi songs recorded by Asha Bhosle and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of Bengali songs recorded by Shreya Ghoshal. - Venkat TL (talk) 08:14, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, for all the same reasons as in the other related AFDs. In addition, list inclusion criteria and sourcing are matters that can be handled just fine through the wiki process, and have nothing to do with deletion. The nom cites WP:NLIST, the pertinent part of which currently says "One accepted reason why a list topic is considered notable is if it has been discussed as a group or set by independent reliable sources" (my emphasis). So to begin with, this particular provision is not a basis for deletion (rather, it spells out one particular circumstance that calls for non-deletion). In any event, the claim that this singer's songs, as a group, have not been covered in independent reliable sources is an extraordinary claim that would probably call for the deletion of the singer's article as well, if it were true. But judging by the sources cited there, it seems clearly to be false. -- Visviva (talk) 16:50, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.