Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of solidarity rallies with the 2013 protests in Turkey

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The result was no consensus. Sandstein 06:10, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of solidarity rallies with the 2013 protests in Turkey[edit]

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The article title gives away a tone which in no way can be described as NPOV (solidarity is a rather colored word). Also the article only list supporting protests without any text talking about eventual rallies in support of the government _→AzaToth 20:31, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep, there are many solidarity protests to 2013 protests in Turkey around the globe, most not even mentioned on the list such as the "tens of thousands" that protests in Cologne, Germany on 22 June. Also mind that 2013 protests in Turkey is already very long. I agree that the article has issues in its current form but it is a work in progress. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 20:34, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Since you clarified your points, I will rephrase mine. :) I think one side is fairly well represented. Rallies by Erdogan quotedly are for local elections which is something we don't normally write articles about. The scope of this page is intended to include all notable protests outside of Turkey that support the 2013 protests in Turkey in an effort to reduce/limit the main articles size. As I said it is a WIP. I know it has many issues. I welcome others to contribute to it. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 21:06, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
- Hey, its on euronews too! -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 18:56, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
When I split this from 2013 protests in Turkey, I followed a standard model and called it International reactions to the 2013 protests in Turkey (and included the state and international organisation reactions). A Certain White Cat renamed it and moved the state/etc reactions back to the main article. I didn't agree with that, but not enough to argue with at the time. But going back to that original model might solve the problem. Podiaebba (talk) 23:37, 22 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep: There have been no counter-protests. The gatherings of the AKP are early election rallies, not protests. Also, most Erdogan-supporters were shuttled to the gathering sites and were payed come. There is nothing about this that is of interest for this page. NeoRetro (talk) 07:29, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- I believe there exists one counter rally in Vienna (separate from the rallies you mentioned) which can very well be mentioned in the article. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 18:20, 25 June 2013 (UTC)
Keep Valid content fork from main article. Dream Focus 14:46, 25 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. We're not the news, and the "article" is nothing but a list of events which have no encyclopedic relevance at all. What does it matter to anybody that a few dozen people protested in Copenhagen? Drmies (talk) 04:32, 26 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed a few hundred people on its own wouldn't matter but that many people around the globe at the same time does matter a lot. See Occupy Movement#Protests for instance. Also in some cities thousands or even tens of thousands have gathered. This is a break away from the main article so the alternative is inflating it back to a larger size. I think we want to avoid that. -- A Certain White Cat ^chi? 15:38, 1 July 2013 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spartaz ^Humbug! 17:27, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per Dream Focus. WP:FORK is irrelevant. WP:CFORK is a content guideline that only prohibits "Unacceptable types of" content forks: those that are "Redundant" or "POV fork[s]", those "created to be developed according to a particular point of view." This is both a "summary" and one of those "Articles whose subject is a POV", and thus is allowed. Bearian (talk) 17:40, 1 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per Drmies. This is trivial news coverage that doesn't belong in its own article and doesn't belong in the article from which it was split. We're not forced to choose between putting it here and inflating the other article back to a larger size: we can choose to excise things of minor relevance entirely. Nyttend (talk) 19:25, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
- Well that's just sad. One of the things Wikipedia can do well is collect things like this, so you can quickly see at a glance that there were lots of small protests in lots of places - each of which is reliably sourced to a mass media source. A few of the protests are bigger, but most are small. That is useful and interesting in itself, and insisting on deleting the article serves no purpose but to either destroy information which probably doesn't exist anywhere else as such, or to inflating the main article, or to long and tedious arguments about what parts of the to-be-deleted article are allowed back into the main article. Also, it would be nice if people saying "delete" were to comment on my point above that the article was originally a standard-format International reactions to the 2013 protests in Turkey, before having state and international organization reactions taken out of it back into the main article and the sub-article renamed. Would going back to the original model solve the problem? Podiaebba (talk) 21:53, 2 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, — Crisco 1492 (talk) 04:44, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Keep as a reasonable, verified WP:SPINOUT of the 2013 protests in Turkey article. Ordinarily I'd consider a merge, but the main article is at approximately 223 kilobytes, and per WP:SIZERULE, articles over 100 kb should "Almost certainly should be divided." Northamerica1000^(talk) 07:52, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Merge or delete. The Turkey protests are notable; it doesn't follow that anything associated with them is therefore notable. This is just news; at best, it could be a sentence in the main article saying "there were some solidarity protests in some places," with numbers if that's thought relevant, but many of these protests are tiny. (Nearly 25 people protested in Jakarta!) –Roscelese (talk ⋅ contribs) 15:34, 9 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Keep It's not the most important stuff to have on Wikipedia and I see one can argue it's a list of news stories, but this list includes more substantial stuff and is better defined than a lot of other lists that are kept on Wikipedia (and yes, I do compare). As for merge, I originally saw this list inside the main article, so I understand this is a spinout of an article that grew too large. Regards, Iselilja (talk) 21:07, 13 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.