Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of notable eSports players

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The result was keep. WP:SNOW. List renamed to remove "notable" per WP:LISTNAME; this has no impact on inclusion criteria. postdlf (talk) 18:17, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

List of notable eSports players[edit]

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Just because the people in this list are notable does not mean that the list itself is notable per WP:NOTINHERITED. This list actually in fact fails WP:LISTN, in spite of the deprod reason 6 years ago. GeoffreyT2000 ^{(talk, contribs)} 01:37, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Coolabahapple (talk) 02:10, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment, this may be covered by WP:NOTCLEANUP but anyway, from the lead "This is not a complete list of all active, professional eSports players; but rather a consolidation of the most influential or significant." according to who/what? and there is no column in the table that tells the reader of this influence or significance, so how is this list useful?Coolabahapple (talk) 02:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I imagine the inclusion criteria is Wikipedia's most common - each item having its own article - and it probably just needs more added. Sergecross73 msg me 02:29, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Essentially, my idea of the inclusion criteria is each player having their own article. However, considering the rapid turnover of professional esports players (with some only having careers that span a few months to year). I'm attempting to limit the list to those who not only have their own article, but whose article is also more than a single paragraph with one reference. I've run into several people who have simply added a half-baked player article because it's their favorite player, even though they only played professionally for 1 game as a sub or something like that. I only recently discovered this list and am looking to add much more to it.Vorbane 15:56, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - and this is coming from someone who probably !votes delete about 75% or more to delete esports player articles historically - this nomination is entirely flawed. Esports are a notable subject. The esports players listed currently have they're own articles and are notable, and the prospect that esports players aren't discussed in the capacity that NLIST requires is ludicrous - they're listed all the time. As long as the list has a discriminate scope (it does, as it is, or should be, limited to players who have their own article) this is a viable list. Sergecross73 msg me 02:29, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - the people in the list are notable, the list itself passes WP:LISTN, the people in it pass WP:LISTPEOPLE. There are sources from Business Insider, ESPN, and PC Gamer discussing solely eSports players. A list from Forbes, that include several eSports players while being a list about people in gaming overal. This isn't even considering the non-main stream sources out there that are eSports focused. WikiVirusC^(talk) 03:08, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep and WP:CLEANUP. Removed notable from the article title and delete all list entries of BLP's without an article. Ajf773 (talk) 03:11, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
They all have their own articles, just for some reason a few only have wikilinks on their Gamer ID, and not their real name, while the rest have on both. WikiVirusC^(talk) 03:16, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep- I recently discovered this list, and as a huge esports fan, found it useful in discovering some of the key players from the games I love. I'm hoping to clean it up and improve it in any way I can. Admittedly, I'm very new to editing on wikipedia, but I'd love to try and make this list something that can bring value to other esports fans as well. I'm currently updating the list with better links and more accurate information. Once that's done, I'll definitely be looking to add more players over time. P.S. Please keep in mind that the 2017 AP Style Guide has confirmed that "esports" is the correct spelling as opposed to "eSports" or "e-Sports". Vorbane 16:12, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Comment... Keep in mind that your keep needs to be grounded in Wikipedia policy. This is not a vote on "I like it". As for the spelling, the AP Style Guide has been evaluated by WT:VG and consensus for now is to remain with using "eSports". -- ferret (talk) 11:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep List deals with a notable topic, and is comparable with other similar lists. I would suggest removing "notable" from the title, though, as the term is subjective when used in everyday English. The standard for inclusion in the list should be notability under the relevant Wikipedia guidelines, but AFD is not cleanup. Smartyllama (talk) 17:59, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep WP:NOTCLEANUP, passes WP:LISTN. Essentially, per WikiVirusC. -- ferret (talk) 11:37, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Keep per WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. I also agree with removing "notable" from the title - if eSports players can hold a Wikipedia article doesn't that make them notable by default? ZettaComposer (talk) 16:15, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Note Shouldn't we drop "notable" from the title? Mere inclusion in the list means they are notable. If they haven't achieved anything, they won't be included. soetermans. ^{↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK} 17:44, 27 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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