Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of fictional vice presidents of the United States

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The result was delete. Vanamonde (Talk) 04:56, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of fictional vice presidents of the United States[edit]

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An unsourced hodgepodge of 99% non-notable characters (many even without names). A topic like this does better as a category. ★Trekker (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. ★Trekker (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of United States of America-related deletion discussions. ★Trekker (talk) 19:40, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Shellwood (talk) 19:47, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Fails WP:LISTN. Like all of the fictional POTUS-related lists, it has excessive detail. Notable entries may be added to Category:Fictional Vice Presidents of the United States. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 22:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Keep. Things that need sourcing can be sourced, or removed if they prove unsourceable. However, the office of the vice-presidency in the U.S. is subject to notable fictional depictions precisely because of the possibility of the vice president ascending to the presidency through foul play or other shocking narratives. There are also well-explored conventions of vice presidents who exert exceptional influence over the presidents they serve, or who pursue separate schemes and agendas, or who are comparably naive and innocent figures unknowingly aligned with corrupt presidents. Given the potential significance of the position in fictional depictions, a list of such instances is reasonably notable and should definitely be kept and improved. BD2412 T 22:49, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Note: discussed in this article, specifically with respect to fictional female vice presidents (with some fictional male vice presidents noted for comparison); and this article touching on the tropes referenced in my !vote. Therefore, this meets WP:LISTN. BD2412 T 22:59, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  - The topic of depictions of the position of Vice President of the United States can be a notable topic, but having this list is not a good way to do that, a list format like this only attracts cruft. A better article could be Depictions of vice president of the United States in fiction which would be best to start from skracth, I don't see anything in this list worth keeping.★Trekker (talk) 23:24, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
    - The list is inherently worth keeping because, like all lists meeting WP:LISTN, it catalogs instances of a notable phenomenon. The criteria is not more strict than that. The tendency to attract cruft can be countered by a requirement for sourcing; I have provided a source that already covers ten items on the list, and am confident that more can be found. BD2412 T 23:51, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
      - I don't see how keeping this heap of cruft would be beneficial when we could just make a proper article instead. Like I said, there is nothing here of value to keep really.★Trekker (talk) 00:52, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. Listcruft, fails LISTN, mostly unreferenced OR/FANCRUFT. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 00:53, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:LISTN. Meets Listcruft. Soon someone will create a List of fictional Assistant EPA directors in Netflix series // Timothy :: talk 01:48, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete This article meets Listcruft.TH1980 (talk) 02:21, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, this article fails WP:LISTN, article is mostly a bunch of unsourced fancruft. Devonian Wombat (talk) 02:39, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - nothing of value worth keeping Spiderone 14:26, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete as a list that does not meet WP:LISTN. Jontesta (talk) 15:28, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It mostly lacks sources. 8 listed sources for a lengthy list. One of the sources is a twitter message by a novel's writer, another is a YouTube video. The rest seems to be OR. Dimadick (talk) 16:22, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per nom. Tessaracter (talk) 15:29, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete due to a lack of sources. Doesn't meet WP:LISTN. Archrogue (talk) 18:24, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete It is high time Wikipedia did something to be rid of this listcruft. It is getting absurd.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:38, 24 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete fails LISTN in fictional spades. ——Serial 16:39, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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