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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete‎. Liz Read! Talk! 22:49, 15 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

List of current XFL team rosters[edit]

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League no longer exists, thus there aren't any "current team rosters" anymore. These lists violate WP:NOTDATABASE as it is. Let'srun (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sports and American football. Let'srun (talk) 19:50, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Sportspeople and Lists of people. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 19:52, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge to and create List of current UFL team rosters, to update for the newly-merged league. BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:54, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Hard disagree on a merge. Do you have a policy based rationale that these lists don't violate WP:NOTDATABASE, other than WP:OSE? Let'srun (talk) 19:55, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Do you have a rationale as to how this constitutes a "summary-only description of a work", "lyrics database", "excessive listing of unexplained statistics" or "exhaustive log of software updates"? BeanieFan11 (talk) 19:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Simply, these types of lists simply regurgitate and reproduce the non-independent and primary roster lists at the teams' respective websites (violating both LISTN and INDISCRIMINATE to their core). Unlike NFL or NBA team rosters where secondary and independent sources most definitely exist, this and many of the other lists don't serve any useful purpose for navigation (due to many of the subjects within them not holding notability themselves, and as such they don't provide any real info beyond that of a database. Readers are much better off simply visiting the league and team websites where they can see automatically updated rosters with more info on individual players than what is contained here, or in a hypothetical merge. Let'srun (talk) 20:04, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    You've done a vague wave to NOTDATABASE, but haven't explained exactly why it applies. Now, you state that this has no purpose for navigation because many of the subjects within them [do not hold notability] and that Readers are much better off simply visiting the league and team websites where they can see automatically updated rosters with more info on individual players: well, a good majority I'd say (~75%?) of the athletes in these leagues are notable and, although you may think that readers are better left off to read the rosters at the team websites, 775 people a day would disagree with you. BeanieFan11 (talk) 20:12, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy create List of current UFL team rosters and speedy redirect both this and the similar USFL page to the newly created page in order to protect the respective page histories. The XFL and USFL no longer exist so there is no reason to have a current roster page. In my opinion this does not need to go through AFD but we are here anyway. I agree with Beaniefan that these lists do not violate NOTDATABASE as most of the listed athletes are notable. Frank Anchor 22:20, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting, I think if you want to redirect or merge this article to a nonexisting page, then those who wish this to happen should create this article yourself. I doubt random content creators will be happening to browse through this AFD discussion and take your hint.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 23:38, 8 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. This is a great example of why Wikipedia should rarely (if ever) host "list of current..." pages: they're all at risk of becoming irrelevant, like this one has. Since notability is not temporary, we must infer that these topics weren't notable to begin with. If we really must maintain lists of team rosters, they ought to be per season, rather than "current". pburka (talk) 04:39, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Agreed with Pburka and Let'srun. Such rosters are just less informative, poorly-updated versions of the league/team websites and create a maintenance timesink.
JoelleJay (talk) 05:41, 11 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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