Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of chess openings named after animals (2nd nomination)

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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. postdlf (talk) 22:41, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

List of chess openings named after animals[edit]

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List of chess openings named after animals (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views) – (View log · Stats)
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  • Doesn't seem to have a typical list purpose (WP:LISTPURP). What is the encyclopedic purpose of this article?
  • There is no connection between naming an opening after an animal and opening theory or chess in general (in other words, it's not actually a type or category of chess opening but an indiscriminate list of WP:TRIVIA).
  • Some openings have several names. For example, the Orangutan (1. b4) is only the Orangutan to some people; to others it's the Polish; and on Wikipedia the name of the article is Sokolsky Opening. It's an animal, a person, and a place! (List of chess openings named after places could probably also be AfD but with that one I can at least appreciate the geographic aspect of the history of the game).
    • For this list, if a single source called an opening an animal-based name, it's included and cited regardless of whether it would even be WP:DUE to include that name in an article for the opening.
    • I've seen Wikipedians offer their own OR on chess naming conventions relevant here, but no sources.
  • Having a WP page is not a prerequisite for inclusion on a list, but a staggering number of items aren't even red linked (presumably because they're so trivial). — Rhododendrites talk |  21:22, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Jinkinson talk to me 23:43, 2 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. The similar article about openings named after people is probably justified because the person usually either originated the opening or analyzed it or made it popular. The similar article about openings named after places is probably justified because that location figures in the origin or popularity of the opening. But, as far as I know, these animal names usually don't have anything to do with the opening. There are exceptions. The dragon version of the Sicilian is named that because Black's pawns sort of resemble a sea serpent. The hedgehog is named that because it is a hard-to-penetrate defense. But most of the animal names are probably not like that. Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 00:35, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete. Just seems like a random collection of trivia with no underlying theme, chess-related, historical or otherwise. Many of the openings are obscure, many are more commonly known by another name (isn't 1.d4 e6 2.c4 Bb4+ the Keres Defence?). MaxBrowne (talk) 01:42, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Keres Defense - "also known as the Kangaroo Defence or Franco-Indian Defense". Bubba73 You talkin' to me? 01:47, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Anyway where I come from 1.e4 f6 2.d4 Kf7 is known as the "Vandalizer" [citation needed] MaxBrowne (talk) 03:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Tagged several dead links. No motivation to fix them, if anyone wants to try to save the article it's up to them. MaxBrowne (talk) 03:57, 3 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I am an experienced Wikipedian, and I have spent a great lot of time for this article. But if you consider, that after removal of this article Wikipedia will become better, go ahead, I do not mind. MrsHudson (talk) 18:27, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • If the outcome of this discussion does result in delete, you may want to userfy its contents to preserve the work that went into it (it's certainly possible sources will emerge talking about chess opening naming conventions in ways that support its notability). --— Rhododendrites talk |  18:47, 6 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    • Another possibility is to re-tool the list (after a few insertions and deletions) into a list of unorthodox chess openings. MaxBrowne (talk) 09:34, 8 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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