Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of businesses on The Simpsons

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The result was Delete Keeper | 76 | Disclaimer 21:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

List of businesses on The Simpsons[edit]

The only business on this page with any real world info is Kwik-E-Mart and all of that is already covered on its page. So this fails WP:FICT. There are some real world places named after these fictional businesses (ie. Krusty Burger) but anything notable can be merged into List of fictional locations in The Simpsons, as there is no need for two pages about locations in the show. I'm sure some will say there is no need for one page about locations on the show, but, I'm not going to afd it (yet). and -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 14:10, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Comment: List of fictional locations in The Simpsons is for cities and towns, such as Springfield and Shelbyville. It was not intended for businesses, schools or other places within towns. So if this article is to be merged, we should choose another merge target. szyslak 21:59, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Not true, the word "location" would refer to all settings - towns, businesses, etc. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 23:28, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Then perhaps the fictional locations article should be moved to "List of fictional cities and towns on The Simpsons", or something of that nature. szyslak 01:42, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not entirely sure why we're discussing that articles name here, but it used to be named "List of fictional places on The Simpsons" but I moved it yesterday because I tried to merge the two pages and "locations" is an apt description. It also allows for non-businesses or cities to be included, like the church or the Simpsons' house. However, the merge was undone so I took it afd. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 03:20, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - agree with the nominator and note that the article appears to fail WP:NOT#PLOT as pretty much nothing but regurgitations of the episodes in which the businesses appear. Those few Simpsons businesses with any independent notability would seem to have articles already. Otto4711 (talk) 23:25, 14 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - I have already outlined most of which I have to say on the talk page but to put it simply I think that merging this into another article simply will create an article that will be too large, my intentions were to expand this article as I get time to and was hoping others would add to this page as well, if the person above doesn't like my writing style then change it write about the businesses in a way that best describes the businesses, I was just referencing episodes as citation.

So I feel once completed this will make for a pretty informative article. As for getting rid of it altogether the only complete articles on here writing about the businesses seen in The Simpsons are the articles on Moes and the Kwiki-Mart which you can write heaps about as they are seen regularly. But to write something about a businesses that appears on only a handful of episodes would end up with a very small article. My intentions here were simply to expand on some of the other Simpsons articles like the article on Media, Religeon, Education and Politics, I figure that if all these can have there own article why not a page on business. I also think the businesses I have written about are notable too such as The Leftorium, Bowl-A-Rama, Aztec Theater and so on the person who merged didn't even include all the businesses. Bhowden (talk) 07:30, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

- Part of your argument is basically WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS. Neither of the two articles are that large, so it's not that big of a problem. Why have two pages of cruft when they can easily be merged? Also, read WP:FICT which says that fictional things need real world notability, and the only business on this page with any of that is Kwik-E-Mart. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A better idea - I actually just thought of a better idea, my inspiration to create such a page came from here List of products in The Simpsons. This page lists the notable products on The Simpsons I figured there would also be a page with the businesses and since I couldn't find one I created this page. I was thinking maybe actually merge these too somehow maybe even have it include companies so basically it could list the products shown on that page and the businesses on the page you want to delete and then also companies such as Channel Six where the news is produced. In fact you could add to the themes a businesses/commerical/economic type theme basically covering all these entities that make money. Other entities such as the churchs, schools, police wouldn't go here though as thats government, religion etc... So if you have no problem with this idea I this is what I will do. Bhowden (talk) 07:48, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- I'm not entirely sure why we're discussing the future of other articles here, but the list of products recently passed an afd, and several of the products on that page do have real world notability. I highly doubt you'll find any for the Leftorium or King Toots. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:56, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - Most of the list is fancruft and the article on the Kwik-E-Mart gives users enough information on buisinesses in the programme itself. Martarius (talk) 21:03, 15 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - I agree with the nominator. Only the Kwik-E-mart is notable and it has it's own article. --Simpsons fan 66 07:20, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment I have added all the businesses to the locations page, which can easily be made into a page with all the places in the show. Just as a side note, I would say Moe's is notable as well because it has been used more than any other location. But all information has been merged into another page, so this page is really not needed anymore. Rhino131 (talk) 16:44, 16 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge into the products page and remove any double ups. Asasinz (talk) 03:54, 17 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I undid the marger at List of fictional locations in The Simpsons as a possible GFDL violation. See Talk:List of fictional locations in The Simpsons#Undid merger due to GFDL concerns. szyslak 09:52, 18 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Television-related deletion discussions. —Pixelface (talk) 21:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Comics and animation-related deletion discussions. —Pixelface (talk) 21:10, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep, two of these already have articles, and Krusty Burger and the Android's Dungeon are well known as well. All of these are verifiable by consulting episodes of The Simpsons. I wouldn't be judging any article on WP:FICT right now. If you think about it, there's no need for an article about The Simpsons, but we have one anyway. Keep. --Pixelface (talk) 21:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Agree with nom. This fails our standards of notability for fictional topics. Eusebeus (talk) 23:45, 21 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Keep - Obviously does't fail FICT, since Kwik E Mart could supply enough refs to meet notability requirements by itself. Simpson editors are on a tear, creating a new GA every few weeks. If you delete this now, it will be remade and eventually become a GA anyway, so why not let it live until then. As each episode that a business is featured in becomes a GA, someone just needs to grab the most relevant refs that discuss the business and add it to this page. It's also a good way to grow GAs on the individual businesses without having a bunch of stubs until they're improved. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 07:26, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
- The Kwik-E-Mart has its own page and the notability of the rest of these businesses is not inherited by that. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 13:23, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  - I didn't say anything about inheritance. This is not a sub article of Kwik E Mart. An article about the Squishi Machine would be one that's relying on inheritance. A topic is notable if it has received significant coverage and so one, which the Kwik E Mart supplies a lot of, and again, it's a good way to organize what would otherwise be a bunch of stubs. - Peregrine Fisher (talk) 16:11, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    - You said "Obviously does't fail FICT, since Kwik E Mart could supply enough refs to meet notability requirements by itself" therefore your basic argument is that it should be kept since the Kwik-E-Mart is notable. By your logic, a "list of bald characters on The Simpson" would be notable because it would include Homer Simpson. -- Scorpion⁰⁴²² 18:03, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - per nom. Badly fails WP:FICT, despite WP:OTHERCRAPEXISTS arguments. --Orange Mike | Talk 20:04, 22 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

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