Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of bars, restaurants and venues closed due to the COVID-19 pandemic in Toronto

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The result was delete. Geschichte (talk) 09:12, 14 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

List of bars, restaurants and venues closed due to the COVID-19 pandemic in Toronto[edit]

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Places go bankrupt, people die, things change. The overall impact of these things is important, but a list which is basically a memorial, but then for small businesses, is WP:NOT really an appropriate subject for an article. Added to that, the sourcing is dreadful; the first source I randomly clicked is [1], a promo piece about a new restaurant. Other sources include a blog listing some closed places, but not discussing Covid[2] (places closed before Covid happened, so while obviously many recent closures will be related, some places would have closed anyway, and including them all in a "due to Covid" list should not include poor sources which don't support the claim). According to one source, in September a lot more places opened than closed actually[3]. Fram (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Comment I'll simply just comment as the creator of this page. This is information brought over from the COVID-19 pandemic in Toronto page for the sake of brevity. I understand your comments on restaurants in particular being a high-risk business venture, however there is evidence by and large of large-scale closures due to the pandemic. I'll try to do some better sourcing in the meantime. If the article is deemed not notable, the information will just be re-entered back into the main article. CaffeinAddict (talk) 17:09, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Business-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Canada-related deletion discussions. Fram (talk) 16:41, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Lists-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 16:58, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of COVID-19-related deletion discussions. Spiderone 17:05, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy delete Thousands and thousands of venues closed all around the world this year – both because of the pandemic and for unrelated reasons – and it is not encyclopedically notable to list them all. This should have never been in the main article in the first place either. Reywas92^Talk 20:34, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment Could perhaps be incorporated into the main article about the pandemic in the city, with the more notable closings, not a listing of each and every one... Most are places you'll never hear about in a few years. Oaktree b (talk) 21:02, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Response I'm starting to feel this is the appropriate action, I've started a mockup for the section in my sandbox for a description of the general impact, an aggregate (approximate) number of closures and a short, small list of notable establishments instead of a long list. CaffeinAddict (talk) 18:13, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

- I think the nonnotable closings should only be reported in the aggregate (how many Toronto restaurants closed as of date X, etc.), if any reliable sources have compiled those numbers. postdlf (talk) 00:22, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: As per nominator.--UserNL2020 (talk) 03:43, 8 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete Fails WP:N and WP:NOTNEWS. Accesscrawl (talk) 16:18, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete: Fails WP:LISTN does not have WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS discussing this as a group, there is no potential for this quality under CLN/AOAL. // Timothy :: talk 19:14, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete - given the number of venues that have had to close due to this pandemic, I don't see it being a notable distinction among venues. This has no value in a general encyclopaedia. Spiderone 19:36, 9 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete, the list is surely incomplete, and most of the establishments were not notable. I agree with the suggestion that a few notable places could be mentioned in the main article, along with an estimate of the total number, if such a number can be reliably sourced. PK T(alk) 17:50, 10 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Delete per WP:LISTN and WP:NOTNEWS. A lot of businesses don't survive, it's a fact of life. Ajf773 (talk) 01:11, 11 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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