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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was redirect‎ to Verbotene Liebe#Cast and characters. Liz Read! Talk! 23:34, 10 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Verbotene Liebe minor characters[edit]

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It makes zero sense to have this article while List of Verbotene Liebe characters got redirected to Verbotene Liebe (the TV show) after a my PROD (here). The PROD for this list of minor characters (nominated for AfD here) was, however, challenged. Frankly, it would make sense to reverse that (redirect this minor list into a restored list of all characters, which likely should be merged with List of Verbotene Liebe cast members); that said, the main list had no references and it might not survive an AfD anyway. Ping User:TAnthony who is the only other editor I think interested in trying to clean up this mess. Should we keep one list, or none at all? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Television, Lists, and Germany. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 06:26, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keeping the one list, which can be then redirected if deemed that coverage is lacking, seems a solid idea. Jclemens (talk) 07:29, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep* or *merge with the deleted page* – deleting and redirecting the main article would be a very bad idea as there are some many characters that can not be summarised in the article. I will try to improve it in the next few months too. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 09:13, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Verbotene Liebe. Sources do not even bill entries as "minor" so who/what does? Non-notable list. – Meena • 10:46, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep pending future reorgs, or Redirect to Verbotene Liebe if its existence for the near future is so bothersome. For the record, List of Verbotene Liebe characters was redirected because it was a bare list redundant of List of Verbotene Liebe cast members. There was no actual descriptive content. This list at least has many primary sources. Technically the worthiness of one list should not impact the worthiness of another. To me, the point of a standalone character list is to provide readers with a little more detail on notable characters that are mentioned/linked in other articles. Considering that we have redirected so many Verbotene Liebe character articles (rightfully so, they were plot heavy and under sourced), my plan in the future is to revive List of Verbotene Liebe characters, with concise overviews of the more important characters in a more standard format, like List of The Last of Us (TV series) characters. This list of minor characters would be a complementary list to that, as a complete combined list would be too long. But if consensus finds that we should redirect at this time, we can revive it in some form (probably trimmed) later if appropriate.— TAnthonyTalk 17:04, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect per all. Neutral on the target. The main list would make sense as a target, but it may be worth a deletion discussion too. Neither article has enough sources for notability. Shooterwalker (talk) 22:35, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Redirect to Verbotene Liebe. Fails LISTN, no sources show this discussed as a group. OTHERSTUFFEXISTS is not a valid reason to keep. Article does serve any purpose in WP:CLN (AOAL). Filled with OR.  // Timothy :: talk  03:52, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Relisting because I can not discern what some editors are advocating here. The nomination statement mentions three separate lists of either characters or cast members so please be specific when you are talking about merging a list with another list which lists you are talking about. "List" isn't specific enough.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:15, 23 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero Parlez Moi 20:45, 3 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The title of this article says minor characters. Minor characters are not notable. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 01:05, 4 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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